From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC43F138A1C for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2014 18:20:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C8C0DE0995; Fri, 21 Nov 2014 18:20:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ig0-f181.google.com (mail-ig0-f181.google.com [209.85.213.181]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7A5B9E0833 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2014 18:20:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ig0-f181.google.com with SMTP id l13so57951iga.8 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2014 10:20:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=LKrTWDqTrCHoDHcj9utdLe+yV/SnQIcJTNu87QwqnkQ=; b=yRLI77d2h+xmCCOHvv9J4bgn2Y/VLn8BLVXEyHufb7Mwqr8odMDrTKydeRUwL8PPh9 btonLEwv7NytcMHn2j3AgJEFLIYKbsd74Tnjxmv4bjvzplh+o5vGqC/1ofVJSqO0AoYp PLHM9KKyxricCUuJYKKhPX/6giNHHoJnNdRp8pqLgZL46bEAJby6q1aiz+UPpLtVEUYM wUfL5QM29I3s/YJ/JmvtreLPE6pIMd2LVFLbEdeoyCu8UxguzTj9MbCdv0PlXMbOoC5V hwuittAOwjscq4VD9co0H8c2aZo2zfgjDkk/5avYLEq8CTWx81M/MxB1vFFeLP/N2Sju ywSA== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.3.106 with SMTP id b10mr17035454igb.41.1416594033691; Fri, 21 Nov 2014 10:20:33 -0800 (PST) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.107.9.80 with HTTP; Fri, 21 Nov 2014 10:20:33 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <546F78D3.90809@tampabay.rr.com> References: <546F78D3.90809@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 13:20:33 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: PE3OucnJojNFfhOE5TOL-NBv1VI Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] The future of linux, and Gentoo specifically now From: Rich Freeman To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Archives-Salt: 0b6df1d1-2e92-4c43-9672-15844d1b6c0f X-Archives-Hash: 8bc25677733b2a7eba805a089bd48c10 On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 12:39 PM, wrote: > > Regardless, the smaller, cheaper embedded linux crowd is very unlikely to > ever embrace systemd. Why? Glad you asks. Thousands of reasons, but, > here are a few: It is very common in embedded (anything) to run multiple > and often different rtos (real time operating system) on different embedded > systems products, often to circumvent licenses, royalties, duplication, > security and a plethora of other reasons. Furthermore, many embedded systems > run simultaneous codes on a single > core and systemd does not fit into that scheme of things, at all. > Embedded is a VERY broad term. I agree that systemd isn't applicable in all of these cases, but honestly in the cases where it doesn't apply I don't see something like openrc or even sysvinit being a great solution. For the more PC-like appliance something like systemd is fairly compelling once it matures, because it is basically a standardized collection of stuff designed to work together. You could look at it a bit like busybox in that regard. This argument is also a bit like saying that since most embedded devices don't have high-res displays, X11 and Wayland are dead-end technologies. The reality is that embedded tends to do things differently - it is related to your typical desktop distro, but not really in pure competition. Look at it another way - the most popular PID 1 on Gentoo-derived systems isn't even in the main portage repository. I'm speaking of course of Chromebooks, which run Upstart. -- Rich