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From: Rich Freeman <rich0@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] The future of linux, and Gentoo specifically now
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 13:20:33 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAGfcS_kGV0yUQE7FkD=RQPnRvgW0iWDPHEe_cs53RAvr_K0swg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <546F78D3.90809@tampabay.rr.com>

On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 12:39 PM,  <wireless@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>
> Regardless, the smaller, cheaper embedded linux crowd is very unlikely to
> ever embrace systemd. Why? Glad you asks. Thousands of reasons, but,
> here are a few:  It is very common in embedded (anything) to run multiple
> and often different rtos (real time operating system) on different embedded
> systems products, often to circumvent licenses, royalties, duplication,
> security and a plethora of other reasons. Furthermore, many embedded systems
> run simultaneous codes on a single
> core and systemd does not fit into that scheme of things, at all.
>

Embedded is a VERY broad term.  I agree that systemd isn't applicable
in all of these cases, but honestly in the cases where it doesn't
apply I don't see something like openrc or even sysvinit being a great
solution.

For the more PC-like appliance something like systemd is fairly
compelling once it matures, because it is basically a standardized
collection of stuff designed to work together.  You could look at it a
bit like busybox in that regard.

This argument is also a bit like saying that since most embedded
devices don't have high-res displays, X11 and Wayland are dead-end
technologies.

The reality is that embedded tends to do things differently - it is
related to your typical desktop distro, but not really in pure
competition.

Look at it another way - the most popular PID 1 on Gentoo-derived
systems isn't even in the main portage repository.  I'm speaking of
course of Chromebooks, which run Upstart.

--
Rich


  reply	other threads:[~2014-11-21 18:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2014-11-21 17:39     ` [gentoo-user] The future of linux, and Gentoo specifically now wireless
2014-11-21 18:20       ` Rich Freeman [this message]
2014-11-21 19:20         ` Paige Thompson
2014-11-21 19:07       ` Paige Thompson
2014-11-21  7:17 Paige Thompson
2014-11-21  7:31 ` Marc Stürmer
2014-11-21 18:17   ` Paige Thompson
2014-11-21  7:32 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-11-21 11:57   ` Rich Freeman
2014-11-21 17:36     ` Philip Webb
2014-11-24 17:54       ` Marc Stürmer
2014-11-24 18:25         ` Gevisz
2014-11-24 19:13           ` Marc Stürmer
2014-11-25 17:44             ` Gevisz
2014-11-26  7:45               ` Marc Stürmer
2014-11-26  8:39                 ` Gevisz
2014-11-26 20:39                   ` Walter Dnes
2014-11-26 21:19                     ` Marc Stürmer
2014-11-26 10:06             ` thegeezer
2014-11-26 10:14               ` Neil Bothwick
2014-11-24 21:05           ` Neil Bothwick
2014-11-25  4:53             ` Gevisz
2014-11-25  8:41               ` Neil Bothwick
2014-11-25 17:09                 ` Gevisz
2014-11-25 17:37                   ` Neil Bothwick
2014-11-25 17:55                     ` Gevisz
2014-11-25 19:49                       ` Neil Bothwick
2014-11-25 20:24                         ` Gevisz
2014-11-25 22:42                           ` Neil Bothwick
2014-11-25 23:35                             ` Emanuele Rusconi
2014-11-26  0:56                               ` Neil Bothwick
2014-11-26  6:43                                 ` Gevisz
2014-11-26  5:59                               ` Gevisz
2014-11-26  9:32                               ` thegeezer
2014-11-25 18:37                     ` Gevisz
2014-11-25 18:21               ` Maxim Wexler
2014-11-25 18:46                 ` Gevisz
2014-11-27 14:24               ` Tom H
2014-11-25  7:15             ` Gevisz
2014-11-25  9:45               ` Alan McKinnon
2014-11-25 10:23                 ` Peter Humphrey
2014-11-25 17:03                 ` Gevisz
2014-11-25 19:56                   ` Alan McKinnon
2014-11-25 20:13                     ` Gevisz
2014-11-24 18:51         ` Emanuele Rusconi
2014-11-27 11:00       ` Tom H
2014-11-27 14:43         ` Marc Stuermer
2014-11-27 15:22           ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-11-27 19:06             ` Marc Stürmer
2014-11-27 21:46               ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-11-27 22:56                 ` Paige Thompson
2014-11-27 23:01                   ` Paige Thompson
2014-11-28  1:13                     ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-11-28 19:03                       ` Paige Thompson
2014-11-28 19:14                         ` Mick
2014-11-28 19:14                         ` Michael Orlitzky
2014-11-21 18:37   ` Paige Thompson
2014-11-21 22:04   ` Marc Joliet
2014-11-24 12:18     ` Sid S
2014-11-24 12:20       ` Sid S
2014-11-23 17:44   ` Tanstaafl
2014-11-23 18:07     ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-11-23 19:02       ` Marc Joliet
2014-11-23 19:11         ` Tanstaafl
2014-11-23 20:23       ` Tanstaafl
2014-11-23 20:26         ` Tanstaafl
2014-11-27 14:21           ` Tom H
2014-11-27 14:53             ` Marc Stuermer
2014-11-23 20:34         ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-11-23 22:45           ` Tanstaafl
2014-11-27 14:21         ` Tom H

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