From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3C9D138A1F for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 20:01:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DAA5FE09E7; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 20:01:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vc0-f172.google.com (mail-vc0-f172.google.com [209.85.220.172]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CEFAAE07DA for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 20:01:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vc0-f172.google.com with SMTP id hy10so1817429vcb.17 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 13:01:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=aoLJ/xQc68O3a6pKCBpg8oDHHRGikNWNW5A9bo61Bns=; b=mIQG/GdY7mjt466cVQAw7H0MvTGYDFR1dsND5yKWFW76RuQDG9BRnxwyFbrv78Sys4 JlZ7WybHZTwbcnqkSFkw8kqOZ0b6x5EWLbzmT8jeb8E++/Iw/cis1XdxRW+/0kTU6Y3z dtPQpzotXdurkBz+mqH6w+Pnot8UoZLiVy99FspEzazuLB3PKaEGNufvbb+6Oa7yJvuv k492Z/wlgCsjk9heG1cZophPpoKTgM5kVEw27TlrH6VVgBJ3Dpfx+r+87DxnPsPwPn2Z DPNnMm8m17B0ne5pLTwvVC/HSLdUgre9gt1GNtF/LaHEhxD0OCS34Sny/HC9ddtlnJS5 DD2A== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.187.134 with SMTP id cw6mr37603vcb.71.1410984092027; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 13:01:32 -0700 (PDT) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.52.8.229 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 13:01:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 16:01:31 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: OFbUWJvniUb9CAH4rCDvo7AnEVw Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Linus Torvalds on systemd From: Rich Freeman To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Archives-Salt: 276d1954-0023-497c-8cd2-0b41a3b6cbe6 X-Archives-Hash: 6813d3a179aa9d541e61d4bcce4f1989 On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 3:28 PM, James wrote: > Linus should make a clear, leadership statement that there will > always be a path for folks to use another mechanism besides systemd > in the linux kernel; This does not have to be a systemd vs cgroups > discussion, but it being presented this way. A clear statement > of multiplicity will put this issue to rest once and for all. By not stating > clearly was is obvious, many technically astute folks are looking for > options. Surely a fork is emminent and it will most likely be > the best thing to happen to linux, as the entire kernel development > process has become tainted by those with billions of dollars. Uh, the only thing the Linux kernel does is spawn a single process as PID 1 and offer a VERY STABLE system call interface for that and future processes to make requests. Nobody is going to break sysvinit if that happens to be the thing you tell Linux to execute as PID 1. Whether anybody else actually supports sysvinit is a different matter. I'm sure it will be around in Gentoo for a long time, and those with official Gentoo support contracts will get the same care they are used to. :) -- Rich