From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0B79A1396D9 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2017 17:08:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 480AA2BC175; Tue, 31 Oct 2017 17:08:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pg0-x235.google.com (mail-pg0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c05::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D13632BC10A for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2017 17:08:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pg0-x235.google.com with SMTP id s2so15190279pge.10 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2017 10:08:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to; bh=Nmvn95E7lmAQLe7IYqYTSV9L1aIyswmeSq3fxFtEfC8=; b=XMNaxtpPwpz4cAozCX+9nE5NkeSuhZO6+ghBhAE2erlppyP3gQVdrywPLdZaImNG2s wE3hEQBfg5gcvQg86QKNOdMRhMnh+75hyuhEep6nkYAVQ6yVwPW/Bl3fOc6iNKF2/paV DLYIr/2kjAL/DO9FxouxBnRDsgWMm7Y2jgxN6lSjwwEQcHCP4xYk8Jb8DQGMm7cM9GrG vM4M5ribP49Zm2ZXxiJLI7Fe5wGo5RD/B85UodoJbXab1wwfz0HHR3aQ1hoOe2LoE6TQ AGMxnmIpRavP6axdjzkJZ0wMIK0OGlD/ShETBW6lW/jEDywfaLg6V3zpNguNujJRJUUw yPXw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to; bh=Nmvn95E7lmAQLe7IYqYTSV9L1aIyswmeSq3fxFtEfC8=; b=pr6AiP7o1DLc/OHRzN+4NHIJCrwnVQIgBEOhUOKqGCiKkFomDrJBBXbzfl/Jjjb4QJ UC081Uc6OV9hVFSKiAlUzSa6RsiEUtc+n0sCme5eGwz5Gx0Q1+hhRVJBVB3TEXUZsfvj z1tYTp7TPZkkFkN3u90W1Ht69ddwP/DmBWHVn+/YH5473VO++Q5IVi/ajJMkGtiSaVsU CxpwOcpXU3uvOFXL/tJjrU2SlsipXYqba4XK3w6PtsI58zsTAgceaQFQvzKaUsiEyroK c7lnV3nO2jvGER843OaXJ3EwWqfwnTt6yHVYkJpl6zZGm5v2sx07/Bq3QiupxUKk581h aDZg== X-Gm-Message-State: AMCzsaUqkuHtjc0scRWIsEa0/bOoyEWo0Aa2imbMLtTKj7QeHeyTZ1+v 1hVNxSODepb1GCuVMkPIoakEA16YTmSp/F5fWJhKsg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABhQp+TMWl87Bd2OtWl367OAWsNcip+mfEKaOgESlZNRHUBQpCBOeQ/VunTmO7AyYascptEvSv6bUJVzyUOtTnUhOt4= X-Received: by 10.84.195.131 with SMTP id j3mr2453171pld.219.1509469708131; Tue, 31 Oct 2017 10:08:28 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.100.155.67 with HTTP; Tue, 31 Oct 2017 10:08:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <59F8AB55.7050504@youngman.org.uk> References: <1922379.ZbMImBqxyj@dell_xps> <6d7133e2-942a-6977-dfa8-67bc1d13085d@gmail.com> <7158279.1LLyUKUnIt@dell_xps> <59F8AB55.7050504@youngman.org.uk> From: Rich Freeman Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2017 10:08:27 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: wX7uDCY1tCbcqRR7RJjxvEeJg5A Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Alternatives to knutclient To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Archives-Salt: 06eb9657-f508-4173-a0d4-36636b5428b3 X-Archives-Hash: 6a70c29b47e101443676bab1330e8d14 On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 9:56 AM, Wols Lists wrote: > > The reason British Telecom made obscene profits for YEARS after they > privatised was because they inherited terrible infrastructure that cost > a lot of money just to keep going. > A similar kind of system is the reason that Bell Labs made so many inventions back in the day. The phone company worked on a cost-plus model, so the more they spent on anything remotely telecom-related, the more money they made. So they just did everything they can to increase their costs. At least something good came out of it in that case. Modern businesses have gotten better at ensuring the graft goes to the executives and owners without the risk of too much public benefit trickling down, heaven forbid... -- Rich