From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 142B1139000 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 2021 18:38:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 28D47E08F2; Fri, 30 Jul 2021 18:38:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-oi1-f172.google.com (mail-oi1-f172.google.com [209.85.167.172]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C2FACE088D for ; Fri, 30 Jul 2021 18:38:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-oi1-f172.google.com with SMTP id u25so14410994oiv.5 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 2021 11:38:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=BbA+QMLqZKVW30TVJdSYY9E8tb2YrfL1ai4ZHW1/z+Y=; b=fsQSOTRVtG3GE+MNHbaCpNw1LW9YvaCfABo2gyevfVuVsI35HVOyL7rPng+0IJ91MB 7E7oXaQXFNsr/yu54g6JJEGsCAZa+aTKAmeTEJRVNbgpEveOynSMu8z8ScVzLQVycroj d+INLUGqzy6BQCxtsCZOBAdf00qAJgOf2hxIXJnCjqd5kGc/II0NrqVnhVhhYtXb8WRu MWLULyFDaM3PgyXvfwszsGYCcl0/OGHPV5alpnn83hsT5IrhO4pnbTCIUuoV+GuajFG1 Ko/BqIp0UIe0FXz5HQ04fIUao057Z1ReZOI7opr28+C0xzhkU0dKyKLx6OdKYczyIKTk KlTA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531F7zR8DdmaSMmcdKm+TxwaCipE1Y2jqOTPpn1vXGTZT+sCpZwX tIDfvEBinfnfQlxk/XPJaVcn9PRsNssgyGaIKCeqDHFL X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxRzAyLWRRrZEqUlXsojtxezc6JOeHaavkpTHH1ZSZCkkGdGCqsy7O3KEig8GOuvDd/N8E2ebCi5yFoH4INXbg= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6808:218f:: with SMTP id be15mr2832204oib.75.1627670328807; Fri, 30 Jul 2021 11:38:48 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <9946c2eb-bb5c-a9c0-ced9-1ac269cd69a0@gmail.com> <6ecbf2d6-2c6f-3f66-5eee-f4766d5e5254@gmail.com> <24805.48814.331408.860941@tux.local> <5483630c-3cd1-bca2-0a6d-62bb85a5adc6@gmail.com> <96fc901a-2ce4-0ea0-0ed1-1c529145c0e9@gmail.com> <6102DB58.7040103@youngman.org.uk> <56d64f52-1b9a-1309-c720-06bb63c9f80a@iinet.net.au> <62afda2f-db50-bc6e-6bc8-47fe73c4e990@youngman.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <62afda2f-db50-bc6e-6bc8-47fe73c4e990@youngman.org.uk> From: Rich Freeman Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2021 14:38:37 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] SMR drives (WAS: cryptsetup close and device in use when it is not) To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Archives-Salt: 106a593d-730c-4d09-8797-8ea2b8722bb5 X-Archives-Hash: 6ff097c657c2df0d60972280a416c8b4 On Fri, Jul 30, 2021 at 12:50 PM antlists wrote: > > On 30/07/2021 15:29, Rich Freeman wrote: > > Honestly I feel like the whole SMR thing is a missed opportunity, > > mainly because manufacturers decided to use it as a way to save a few > > bucks instead of as a new technology that can be embraced as long as > > you understand its benefits and limitations. One thing I don't get is > > why it is showing up on all sorts of smaller drives. > > It's showing up on desktops because - PROVIDED THE CACHE IS LARGER THAN > THE AMOUNT OF DOCUMENTS IS ABLE TO GET THROUGH - it performs just fine. > So if you're using a pre-installed OS, and you mostly use your computer > to surf the web, watch youtube videos, etc, you're not going to stress > said cache. Well, in such a configuration an NVMe or even a SATA SSD would be FAR more desirable. Though, I guess an issue is consumers who buy for the numbers on the specs who don't know better. 4TB is better than 0.25TB, so SMR it is... -- Rich