From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8AD301382C5 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 2020 12:05:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 938BEE0B06; Wed, 17 Jun 2020 12:05:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ed1-f53.google.com (mail-ed1-f53.google.com [209.85.208.53]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4C4C6E0AF6 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 2020 12:05:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ed1-f53.google.com with SMTP id g1so1725302edv.6 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 2020 05:05:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=yTn+1IcpPgaosEW0iv8sGqlvfuLfnf6yvIuF0QCQUWg=; b=eMX0LWhxLaN4NRhzTWXR8rDW97uGoq8/6zsEh5K8nh7gPapRdNTJXYsvJtGBwyoXVR NuS5T9hhNn24dp/LhEUFFWwqlZE1BhFHam5fMLGUQasLEplNrvIQMWsPc3v0cJuyrzBf IGAXGdBLwqcJ1pLh32N+USg8K4AFHCDz3/LcIAjwNh936ODNhyXy7W+238+t6w3cTfUU VDsNGj3QtzmqXmxdKZB48KENi3jiwoL6QmedcytkfeI9wHXTWGwbXIJExAP3kx/TbBgk H7DZdjrnav/EHiBdwOcXS8m6puh0ovHEN+906zvFInJqNN07k0ZysMaHCRpx2Qt3HU5H 9fkw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530F2bhRqgg9HFFfl2+b5IYihZwqh9yrsb+SIaG8MFc0IW4bf4eX ZTsCeare7juYBlRgQqmQAeE8CIdKxQH3H+lFIQBJM3uD X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyVLyr4e+i1m/GclmtT2XAtEj+ngM5Fmqusl7XlWEll1uWD5IYXq3vK6glpyeG8XU6gnvYgD7X5X1iy/0cfcH4= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6402:3135:: with SMTP id dd21mr6627122edb.110.1592395509681; Wed, 17 Jun 2020 05:05:09 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <6d77acb3-5754-06cb-b8ef-2f1a5d7d8084@gmail.com> <5EE88146.1080208@youngman.org.uk> <5EE8A6C9.9020900@youngman.org.uk> <78281567-5bc5-14e4-254a-b2373191bac8@youngman.org.uk> <5EEA0D44.5070807@youngman.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <5EEA0D44.5070807@youngman.org.uk> From: Rich Freeman Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2020 08:04:58 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Testing a used hard drive to make SURE it is good. To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Archives-Salt: d9dac646-69a8-420f-8642-f9696a288433 X-Archives-Hash: e7bded112c5d6ed13e6d19e193ce37e3 On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 8:32 AM Wols Lists wrote: > > On 17/06/20 05:47, Dale wrote: > > From what I've read, all the drive makers were selling SMR without > > telling anyone at first. It wasn't just WD but Seagate as well. > > Yes, but Seagate didn't start selling SMR drives advertised as > "optimised for raid/nas".THAT is what's so bad about the WD case - those > drives are almost guaranteed to fail the moment anything ELSE goes wrong > elsewhere. > WD also put it in their Black line. Those are drives marketed to enthusiasts willing to pay a premium for some kind of cutting-edge performance. And they stuck SMR in it. This is like paying for a high-end NVMe and finding out that it just has a class 4 SDcard inside with a PCIe-USB2-SD interface. All the drive manufacturers are scummy at this point though. You have no choice but to buy from them, but I trust new drives as far as I can throw them, and every new drive is getting benchmarked from here on out... -- Rich