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Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo
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2013/8/13 the <the.guard@mail.ru>
> The site doesn't describe any real problems.
>
Well, it is a question to discuss.
I am not going to begin a holy war, I would like just to provide a
possibility to perform a harmless /usr merge for those who share
FreeDesktop's opinion.
>
> Also I don't see how the current dir tree is not compatible
> with gnu autoconf/automake.
>
In a simple way: please look at coreutils-8.20.ebuild that has to move a
lot of binaries from /usr/bin to /bin:
cd "${D}"/usr/bin
dodir /bin
# move critical binaries into /bin (required by FHS)
local fhs="cat chgrp chmod chown cp date dd df echo false
ln ls
mkdir mknod mv pwd rm rmdir stty sync true uname"
mv ${fhs} ../../bin/ || die "could not move fhs bins"
2013/8/13 pk <peterk2@coolmail.se>
> So, how would this work for me who have /usr on a separate harddrive?
>
If you have an initrd, it will work.
Anyway, I just look for people that are interested in /usr merge.
And what would be the benefit? To me, mentioning Fedora, makes the alarm
> bells go off...
>
Yes. it does. Fedora is a big distro sponsored by Red Hat and its /usr
merge will be in RHEL-7. That's not a great idea to fight against upstream
if it will do /usr merge. Remember, /bin/mail now is moved to /usr/bin/mail
- what will be the next?
Sincerely,
Alessio Ababilov
Senior Software Engineer
Grid Dynamics
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
2013/8/13 the <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:the.guard@mail.ru" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">the.guard@mail.ru</a>></span><br><blockquote class=3D"gm=
ail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-l=
eft-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class=3D"im"><span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34)">The site doesn't =
describe any real problems.</span></div></blockquote><div>Well, it is a que=
stion to discuss.</div><div>I am not going to begin a holy war, I would lik=
e just to provide a possibility to perform a harmless /usr merge for those =
who share FreeDesktop's opinion.</div>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;p=
adding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"im"><br></div>
Also I don't see how the current dir tree is not compatible<br>
with gnu autoconf/automake.<span class=3D"">=A0<font color=3D"#888888"><br>=
</font></span></blockquote>In a simple way: please look at=A0coreutils-8.20=
.ebuild that has to move a lot of binaries from /usr/bin to /bin:</div><div=
class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=A0 =A0 =A0=
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 cd "${D}"/usr/bin</div><div class=3D"gmail_q=
uote">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 dodir /bin</div><div class=3D"gmail_q=
uote">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 # move critical binaries into /bin (r=
equired by FHS)</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 local fhs=3D&quo=
t;cat chgrp chmod chown cp date dd df echo false ln ls</div><div class=3D"g=
mail_quote">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0mkdir mk=
nod mv pwd rm rmdir stty sync true uname"</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 mv ${fhs} ../../=
bin/ || die "could not move fhs bins"</div><div><br></div><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote">2013/8/13 pk=A0<span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:=
peterk2@coolmail.se" target=3D"_blank">peterk2@coolmail.se</a>></span><b=
r>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;p=
adding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"im"><span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34)">So, =
how would this work for me who have /usr on a separate harddrive?</span></d=
iv>
</blockquote><div>If you have an initrd, it will work.</div><div>Anyway, I =
just look for people that are interested in /usr merge.</div><div><br></div=
><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border=
-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;=
padding-left:1ex">
<div class=3D"im"><span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34)">And what would be the=
benefit? To me, mentioning Fedora, makes the alarm</span><br></div>bells g=
o off...<br></blockquote><div>Yes. it does. Fedora is a big distro sponsore=
d by Red Hat and its /usr merge will be in RHEL-7. That's not a great i=
dea to fight against upstream if it will do /usr merge. Remember, /bin/mail=
now is moved to /usr/bin/mail - what will be the next?</div>
<div><br></div><div>Sincerely,</div><div>Alessio Ababilov</div><div>Senior =
Software Engineer</div><div>Grid Dynamics</div></div><span style=3D"font-fa=
mily:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"></span></div></div></div>
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