Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

[Alessio Ababilov <ilovegnulinux@gmail.com>]

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2013/8/18 Daniel Campbell <lists@sporkbox.us>

> On 08/17/2013 02:26 PM, Alon Bar-Lev wrote:
> > On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 10:22 PM, Andreas Eder <andreas_eder@gmx.net>
> wrote:
> >> On 17 Aug 2013, the guard wrote:
> >>
> >>>> But requiring people to have an initramfs to boot a system
> >>>> that doesn't legitimately require it is silly. I don't even
> >>>> have /usr mounted separately, but there are many, many
> >>>> different system configurations out there and Gentoo is famous
> >>>> for supporting a wide variety. That variety is stomped on if
> >>>> something like a /usr merge is forced. It also makes building
> >>>> your default environment more complicated due to generating an
> >>>> initramfs.
> >>>
> >>> Absolutely agreed.
> >>
> >> Might be a good time to switch to freebsd :-(
> >
> > I agree. This is the only escape plan against the new wind of
> > dictation into monolithic approach that comes from systemd sponsors
> > direction.
> >
> > Let's see how it turns out... if Linux userspace will become like the
> > Windows user space, then freebsd suddenly looks very promising
> > alternative.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Alon
> >
>
> I've considered this as well. It's simply beyond me why so many people
> are willing to drink the kool-aid from a *single upstream* and let them
> shape the entire GNU/Linux landscape. It's one thing to support an
> *option*, but quite another to *force* users to use this option. Systemd
> itself doesn't look to be forced yet, but if the requirements for it are
> forced onto users, forcing systemd afterwards would be child's play. I
> saw this in action when I used Arch. It started with bash functions in
> their init scripts calling some systemd tools. Then the /usr merge.
> Eventually systemd itself was pushed. I'm beginning to lose confidence
> that Gentoo will avoid the same fate as Arch. Even Debian is falling to
> the systemd crowd. If this keeps up, it's only a matter of time before
> systemd infects every Linux-based distribution and BSD will be the only
> major free OS to avoid it. Red Hat may end up digging its claws into the
> kernel itself. What will protect the Linux landscape, if not distros
> like Gentoo that supposedly support user choice? Will all users who give
> a damn be forced to run LFS or Slackware if they wish to use Linux as
> their kernel? Maintain their own portage|pacman|deb repos and keep
> systems free of systemd? Where does the madness end?
>
> systemd is devouring other daemons. udev was the first victim, and now
consolekit is dead and replaced with systemd-logind. Who knows what will be
the next?

Gentoo guys maintain now eudev. Ubuntu (which avoids systemd and uses its
own upstart) splits systemd into several parts and happily uses them. The
second way seems to be easier for me.

BTW, what are you arguments against systemd (except for /usr merge)?

Best regards,
Alessio Ababilov

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