From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1RDlbJ-0007Mg-Dl for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 23:19:09 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E124E21C0EE; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 23:18:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vw0-f53.google.com (mail-vw0-f53.google.com [209.85.212.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C86321C032 for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 23:16:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws19 with SMTP id 19so144111vws.40 for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 16:16:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=yQwAwFhDAjDFx8sD/id+SgrlzSHu1pXXFjkGydNup2k=; b=QoJV9Xi/ygytPPjSvaB/c/x6mFE3KTxX9PP8CJQ1GiHR6ZHlU7yVZq3QcV7KoT6P3b 2QhKPOGSscofVrgx/Eh1UWwF53Z93pJzYr2v4ggrdWFrrmr2uFLDj5Vp26EnMqczXll8 FF0It8EgOc8va5iJxWJTuWRXU4PvBs0Euguls= Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.173.228 with SMTP id bn4mr15211392vdc.10.1318375016194; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 16:16:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.188.1 with HTTP; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 16:16:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20111011170819.6a5f2087@toxic.dbnet> References: <20111011130327.3bcf7ecd@toxic.dbnet> <20111011135112.1b670ab6@toxic.dbnet> <201110111354.25894.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> <20111011170819.6a5f2087@toxic.dbnet> Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 19:16:56 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: [gentoo-user] =?UTF-8?B?UmU6IHRoaXMgaXMgc3BhbSAod2FzOiBSZTogW2dlbnRvby11c2VyXSDlm57lpI3vvJogWw==?= =?UTF-8?B?Z2VudG9vLXVzZXJdIEFueW9uZSBjYW4gYWZmb3JkIGluZm9ybWF0aW9uIGFib3V0IGJ1aWxkIGtlcm5l?= =?UTF-8?B?bD8p?= From: Matthew Finkel To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec51a8cb885635504af0e1a0a X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: 58d493aec6a149b856e537db5c1cbcdb --bcaec51a8cb885635504af0e1a0a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 11:08 AM, Jonas de Buhr wrote: > Am Tue, 11 Oct 2011 13:54:06 +0100 > schrieb Mick : > > > On Tuesday 11 Oct 2011 12:51:12 Jonas de Buhr wrote: > > > Am Tue, 11 Oct 2011 13:03:27 +0200 > > > > > > schrieb Jonas de Buhr : > > > > it's nice how much many people on this this list are willing to > > > > help in spite of all this. but am i really the only one who finds > > > > the behavior described above at least confusing? > > > > anyway, i'm quite convinced it is fake. > > > > > > no, apparently i am not the only one thinking that: > > > http://www.stopforumspam.com/ipcheck/58.243.95.123 > > > > > > Interesting! > > > > Well, the broken English is not an insurmountable problem as long as > > we understand the question asked. Not everyone is blessed with good > > knowledge of the English language. > > i totally agree to that given any effort on the other end i would do my > best to help as well. > > > The questions seem genuine, so it may help the OP or others that have > > similar problems. > > right, the replies probably gave the thread some value ;) > but there was *no* reaction at all to the proposed solutions, hints and > info requests. why ask for help if you don't even try the suggestions? > it takes you about ten minutes of reading this list to realize that the > usual way of solving problems is a cycle of "i am trying to do X > and receive error Y"->"hey, try Z"->"oh, now A happens"->"try B too" > etc. > > > Now, if as you say it is indeed spam, what escapes me is why would > > someone spam the list in this manner? It doesn't make sense. > > my point exactly! i don't get it - this intially led me to post > this comment in the first place. > what really points into the direction of spam in my opinion is using > the different names mentioned of stopforumspam. and that others went as > far as reporting it. > > > So I > > am led to believe that the peculiarities you mention are probably a > > cultural (or personal) issue. > > possible. but what makes it even more confusing is that this doesn't > go well with my experience of chinese people having a hard time with > english (i can't really put my finger on it, but it doesn't feel right) > and how they react to "hey, you're doing X wrong, thats rude". > not meaning to stereotype, it just made it more suspicious. > > > I understand why you would think the OP is a spammer, but the topic just seems too genuine (to me at least) for this to actually be spam. It definitely would have been more polite if Lavender had replied to the other suggestions, but (assuming the thread is not spam) you don't know what is going on in their life and it may take a few days to respond. Just because the person is from China, doesn't mean we should assume they're a spammer (following Alan's last reply). -- Matthew Finkel --bcaec51a8cb885635504af0e1a0a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 11:08 AM, Jonas de Buhr = <jonas.de.buhr@gmx.net> wrote:
Am Tue, 11 Oct 2011 13:54:06 +0100
schrieb Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com>:

> On Tuesday 11 Oct 2011 12:51:12 Jonas de Buhr wrote:
> > Am Tue, 11 Oct 2011 13:03:27 +0200
> >
> > schrieb Jonas de Buhr <jonas.de.buhr@gmx.net>:
> > > it's nice how much many people on this this list are wil= ling to
> > > help in spite of all this. but am i really the only one who = finds
> > > the behavior described above at least confusing?
> > > anyway, i'm quite convinced it is fake.
> >
> > no, apparently i am not the only one thinking that:
> > http://www.stopforumspam.com/ipcheck/58.243.95.123
>
>
> Interesting!
>
> Well, the broken English is not an insurmountable problem as long as > we understand the question asked. =A0Not everyone is blessed with good=
> knowledge of the English language.

i totally agree to that given any effort on the other end i would do = my
best to help as well.

> The questions seem genuine, so it may help the OP or others that have<= br> > similar problems.

right, the replies probably gave the thread some value ;)
but there was *no* reaction at all to the proposed solutions, hints and
info requests. why ask for help if you don't even try the suggestions?<= br> it takes you about ten minutes of reading this list to realize that the
usual way of solving problems is a cycle of "i am trying to do X
and receive error Y"->"hey, try Z"->"oh, now A ha= ppens"->"try B too"
etc.

> Now, if as you say it is indeed spam, what escapes me is why would
> someone spam the list in this manner? =A0It doesn't make sense.
my point exactly! i don't get it - this intially led me to post this comment in the first place.
what really points into the direction of spam in my opinion is using
the different names mentioned of stopforumspam. and that others went as
far as reporting it.

> So I
> am led to believe that the peculiarities you mention are probably a > cultural (or personal) issue.

possible. but what makes it even more confusing is that this doesn= 9;t
go well with my experience of chinese people having a hard time with
english (i can't really put my finger on it, but it doesn't feel ri= ght)
and how they react to "hey, you're doing X wrong, thats rude"= .
not meaning to stereotype, it just made it more suspicious.



I understand why you would think the OP is a spammer= , but the topic just seems too genuine (to me at least) for this to actuall= y be spam. It definitely would have been more polite if Lavender had replie= d to the other suggestions, but (assuming the thread is not spam) you don&#= 39;t know what is going on in their life and it may take a few days to resp= ond. Just because the person is from China, doesn't mean we should assu= me they're a spammer (following Alan's last reply).

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Matthew Finkel
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