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From: Raymond Jennings <shentino@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2016 13:10:13 -0700
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Just of note, the classic version seems to support cloud based chats now.
There's been some conversions going on on the skype servers, and I reported
a couple of bugs to microsoft which appear to have been recently fixed.
On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 9:45 AM, Raymond Jennings <shentino@gmail.com>
wrote:
> My guess is that eventually it will be. Microsoft tends to be fond of
> turfing old versions of its software *cough*windows10*cough*
>
> As the mantainer of a package with no patchable source code provided I'll
> have little choice but to reflect the upstream reality as clearly as
> possible.
>
> What I personally think would be nice:
>
> 1. A backend layer, OS specific, that handles low level details like
> making network connections, writing to logs, opening audio/video devices
> (mic, speakers, webcam)
> 2. A skype layer, OS and GUI independent, that contains everything
> related to skype's core stuff. Encryption, contact lists, group chats,
> interfacing with the skype servers
> 3. A frontend layer, OS specific, that handles window management,
> keyboard input, clicking on menus, providing widgets, and so on. This
> could factor in differences between windows, OSX, GNOME, KDE, GTK+, and the
> like, all without compromising the portability of the middle or backend
> layers.
>
> If Microsoft broke its skype code up like this it would be extremely easy
> to maintain in a cross platform manner.
>
> This is how gallium3d was set up
>
> On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 6:33 AM, Daniel Campbell <zlg@gentoo.org> wrote:
>
>> On 10/04/2016 02:12 PM, Raymond Jennings wrote:
>> > Please be advised that skype has been split off into two packages
>> >
>> > * skype remains for the "classic" version of skype
>> > * skypeforlinux is the new package name for microsoft's alpha version
>> >
>> > There were some version number snarls and it was decided that a split
>> > would be cleaner.
>> >
>> > Blame microsoft for giving their current version a lower number than the
>> > classic one.
>> Thanks for the heads-up. I saw it in a recent additions/removal email
>> and checked eix but didn't see anything pointing out differences.
>>
>> Does MS have plans to force classic Skype to be obsolete? I hope not...
>> --
>> Daniel Campbell - Gentoo Developer
>> OpenPGP Key: 0x1EA055D6 @ hkp://keys.gnupg.net
>> fpr: AE03 9064 AE00 053C 270C 1DE4 6F7A 9091 1EA0 55D6
>>
>>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Just of note, the classic version seems to support cloud b=
ased chats now.=C2=A0 There's been some conversions going on on the sky=
pe servers, and I reported a couple of bugs to microsoft which appear to ha=
ve been recently fixed.<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 9:45 AM, Raymond Jennings <span di=
r=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:shentino@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">shent=
ino@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" st=
yle=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div =
dir=3D"ltr">My guess is that eventually it will be.=C2=A0 Microsoft tends t=
o be fond of turfing old versions of its software *cough*windows10*cough*<d=
iv><br></div><div>As the mantainer of a package with no patchable source co=
de provided I'll have little choice but to reflect the upstream reality=
as clearly as possible.</div><div><br></div><div>What I personally think w=
ould be nice:</div><div><br></div><div>1.=C2=A0 A backend layer, OS specifi=
c, that handles low level details like making network connections, writing =
to logs, opening audio/video devices (mic, speakers, webcam)</div><div>2.=
=C2=A0 A skype layer, OS and GUI independent, that contains everything rela=
ted to skype's core stuff.=C2=A0 Encryption, contact lists, group chats=
, interfacing with the skype servers</div><div>3.=C2=A0 A frontend layer, O=
S specific, that handles window management, keyboard input, clicking on men=
us, providing widgets, and so on.=C2=A0 This could factor in differences be=
tween windows, OSX, GNOME, KDE, GTK+, and the like, all without compromisin=
g the portability of the middle or backend layers.</div><div><br></div><div=
>If Microsoft broke its skype code up like this it would be extremely easy =
to maintain in a cross platform manner.</div><div><br></div><div>This is ho=
w gallium3d was set up</div></div><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><=
div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 5, 201=
6 at 6:33 AM, Daniel Campbell <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:zlg@g=
entoo.org" target=3D"_blank">zlg@gentoo.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><block=
quote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc=
solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"m_-3670246222968142189HOEnZb"><div c=
lass=3D"m_-3670246222968142189h5">On 10/04/2016 02:12 PM, Raymond Jennings =
wrote:<br>
> Please be advised that skype has been split off into two packages<br>
><br>
> * skype remains for the "classic" version of skype<br>
> * skypeforlinux is the new package name for microsoft's alpha vers=
ion<br>
><br>
> There were some version number snarls and it was decided that a split<=
br>
> would be cleaner.<br>
><br>
> Blame microsoft for giving their current version a lower number than t=
he<br>
> classic one.<br>
</div></div>Thanks for the heads-up. I saw it in a recent additions/removal=
email<br>
and checked eix but didn't see anything pointing out differences.<br>
<br>
Does MS have plans to force classic Skype to be obsolete? I hope not...<br>
<span class=3D"m_-3670246222968142189HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888">--<br>
Daniel Campbell - Gentoo Developer<br>
OpenPGP Key: 0x1EA055D6 @ hkp://<a href=3D"http://keys.gnupg.net" rel=3D"no=
referrer" target=3D"_blank">keys.gnupg.net</a><br>
fpr: AE03 9064 AE00 053C 270C=C2=A0 1DE4 6F7A 9091 1EA0 55D6<br>
<br>
</font></span></blockquote></div><br></div>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>
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