[gentoo-user] Skype users

[gentoo-user] Skype users

[Raymond Jennings]

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Please be advised that skype has been split off into two packages

* skype remains for the "classic" version of skype
* skypeforlinux is the new package name for microsoft's alpha version

There were some version number snarls and it was decided that a split would
be cleaner.

Blame microsoft for giving their current version a lower number than the
classic one.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Skype users

[Andy Mender]

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I am rather thankful that you did this and at the same time surprised
Microsoft
decided to work on a dedicated Skype client for Linux.

Since the GNU/Linux community is responsive, we might make considerable
contribution to troubleshooting the client. I will probably give it a go to
see how
it fairs against google-talkplugin.

Regards,
Andy

On 4 October 2016 at 23:12, Raymond Jennings <shentino@gmail.com> wrote:

> Please be advised that skype has been split off into two packages
>
> * skype remains for the "classic" version of skype
> * skypeforlinux is the new package name for microsoft's alpha version
>
> There were some version number snarls and it was decided that a split
> would be cleaner.
>
> Blame microsoft for giving their current version a lower number than the
> classic one.
>

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Re: [gentoo-user] Skype users

[J. Roeleveld]

On Tuesday, October 04, 2016 02:12:12 PM Raymond Jennings wrote:
> Please be advised that skype has been split off into two packages
> 
> * skype remains for the "classic" version of skype
> * skypeforlinux is the new package name for microsoft's alpha version
> 
> There were some version number snarls and it was decided that a split would
> be cleaner.
> 
> Blame microsoft for giving their current version a lower number than the
> classic one.

Thank you for this note as I would probably have missed this.

I will test this on a VM until it leaves "alpha" status.

One little note: I don't think it's supposed to be possible to install both at 
the same time. But it is currently possible.

I think it's because skype is not slotted and the dependency line in the 
ebuild specifies slot "1"  for skype.

--
Joost

Re: [gentoo-user] Skype users

[Raymond Jennings]

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On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 10:51 PM, J. Roeleveld <joost@antarean.org> wrote:

> On Tuesday, October 04, 2016 02:12:12 PM Raymond Jennings wrote:
> > Please be advised that skype has been split off into two packages
> >
> > * skype remains for the "classic" version of skype
> > * skypeforlinux is the new package name for microsoft's alpha version
> >
> > There were some version number snarls and it was decided that a split
> would
> > be cleaner.
> >
> > Blame microsoft for giving their current version a lower number than the
> > classic one.
>
> Thank you for this note as I would probably have missed this.
>
> I will test this on a VM until it leaves "alpha" status.
>
> One little note: I don't think it's supposed to be possible to install
> both at
> the same time. But it is currently possible.
>

I actually do it that way on purpose.

I think it's because skype is not slotted and the dependency line in the
> ebuild specifies slot "1"  for skype.
>

By design.  I removed the slotting after splitting the package.

And I made this announcement becuase I'm the current proxy maintainer for
both packages.

>
> --
> Joost
>
>

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Re: [gentoo-user] Skype users

[J. Roeleveld]

On Tuesday, October 04, 2016 11:39:44 PM Raymond Jennings wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 10:51 PM, J. Roeleveld <joost@antarean.org> wrote:
> > On Tuesday, October 04, 2016 02:12:12 PM Raymond Jennings wrote:
> > > Please be advised that skype has been split off into two packages
> > > 
> > > * skype remains for the "classic" version of skype
> > > * skypeforlinux is the new package name for microsoft's alpha version
> > > 
> > > There were some version number snarls and it was decided that a split
> > 
> > would
> > 
> > > be cleaner.
> > > 
> > > Blame microsoft for giving their current version a lower number than the
> > > classic one.
> > 
> > Thank you for this note as I would probably have missed this.
> > 
> > I will test this on a VM until it leaves "alpha" status.
> > 
> > One little note: I don't think it's supposed to be possible to install
> > both at
> > the same time. But it is currently possible.
> 
> I actually do it that way on purpose.
> 
> I think it's because skype is not slotted and the dependency line in the
> 
> > ebuild specifies slot "1"  for skype.
> 
> By design.  I removed the slotting after splitting the package.
> 
> And I made this announcement becuase I'm the current proxy maintainer for
> both packages.
> 

Ok, are you sure you don't risk corruption of the database files (under 
~/.Skype) if both versions are running simultaneously?

That is what I would be afraid of if both are installed at the same time.

--
Joost

Re: [gentoo-user] Skype users

[Raymond Jennings]

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As far as I know the alpha skype is a cheap clone of the web version (and
the only version that supports cloud chats)...and I don't think it uses the
.Skype database.

I also tested it, and it seems to work.

On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 11:49 PM, J. Roeleveld <joost@antarean.org> wrote:

> On Tuesday, October 04, 2016 11:39:44 PM Raymond Jennings wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 10:51 PM, J. Roeleveld <joost@antarean.org>
> wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, October 04, 2016 02:12:12 PM Raymond Jennings wrote:
> > > > Please be advised that skype has been split off into two packages
> > > >
> > > > * skype remains for the "classic" version of skype
> > > > * skypeforlinux is the new package name for microsoft's alpha version
> > > >
> > > > There were some version number snarls and it was decided that a split
> > >
> > > would
> > >
> > > > be cleaner.
> > > >
> > > > Blame microsoft for giving their current version a lower number than
> the
> > > > classic one.
> > >
> > > Thank you for this note as I would probably have missed this.
> > >
> > > I will test this on a VM until it leaves "alpha" status.
> > >
> > > One little note: I don't think it's supposed to be possible to install
> > > both at
> > > the same time. But it is currently possible.
> >
> > I actually do it that way on purpose.
> >
> > I think it's because skype is not slotted and the dependency line in the
> >
> > > ebuild specifies slot "1"  for skype.
> >
> > By design.  I removed the slotting after splitting the package.
> >
> > And I made this announcement becuase I'm the current proxy maintainer for
> > both packages.
> >
>
> Ok, are you sure you don't risk corruption of the database files (under
> ~/.Skype) if both versions are running simultaneously?
>
> That is what I would be afraid of if both are installed at the same time.
>
> --
> Joost
>
>

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Re: [gentoo-user] Skype users

[Daniel Campbell]

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On 10/04/2016 02:12 PM, Raymond Jennings wrote:
> Please be advised that skype has been split off into two packages
> 
> * skype remains for the "classic" version of skype
> * skypeforlinux is the new package name for microsoft's alpha version
> 
> There were some version number snarls and it was decided that a split
> would be cleaner.
> 
> Blame microsoft for giving their current version a lower number than the
> classic one.
Thanks for the heads-up. I saw it in a recent additions/removal email
and checked eix but didn't see anything pointing out differences.

Does MS have plans to force classic Skype to be obsolete? I hope not...
-- 
Daniel Campbell - Gentoo Developer
OpenPGP Key: 0x1EA055D6 @ hkp://keys.gnupg.net
fpr: AE03 9064 AE00 053C 270C  1DE4 6F7A 9091 1EA0 55D6


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Re: [gentoo-user] Skype users

[Raymond Jennings]

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My guess is that eventually it will be.  Microsoft tends to be fond of
turfing old versions of its software *cough*windows10*cough*

As the mantainer of a package with no patchable source code provided I'll
have little choice but to reflect the upstream reality as clearly as
possible.

What I personally think would be nice:

1.  A backend layer, OS specific, that handles low level details like
making network connections, writing to logs, opening audio/video devices
(mic, speakers, webcam)
2.  A skype layer, OS and GUI independent, that contains everything related
to skype's core stuff.  Encryption, contact lists, group chats, interfacing
with the skype servers
3.  A frontend layer, OS specific, that handles window management, keyboard
input, clicking on menus, providing widgets, and so on.  This could factor
in differences between windows, OSX, GNOME, KDE, GTK+, and the like, all
without compromising the portability of the middle or backend layers.

If Microsoft broke its skype code up like this it would be extremely easy
to maintain in a cross platform manner.

This is how gallium3d was set up

On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 6:33 AM, Daniel Campbell <zlg@gentoo.org> wrote:

> On 10/04/2016 02:12 PM, Raymond Jennings wrote:
> > Please be advised that skype has been split off into two packages
> >
> > * skype remains for the "classic" version of skype
> > * skypeforlinux is the new package name for microsoft's alpha version
> >
> > There were some version number snarls and it was decided that a split
> > would be cleaner.
> >
> > Blame microsoft for giving their current version a lower number than the
> > classic one.
> Thanks for the heads-up. I saw it in a recent additions/removal email
> and checked eix but didn't see anything pointing out differences.
>
> Does MS have plans to force classic Skype to be obsolete? I hope not...
> --
> Daniel Campbell - Gentoo Developer
> OpenPGP Key: 0x1EA055D6 @ hkp://keys.gnupg.net
> fpr: AE03 9064 AE00 053C 270C  1DE4 6F7A 9091 1EA0 55D6
>
>

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Re: [gentoo-user] Skype users

[Raymond Jennings]

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Just of note, the classic version seems to support cloud based chats now.
There's been some conversions going on on the skype servers, and I reported
a couple of bugs to microsoft which appear to have been recently fixed.

On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 9:45 AM, Raymond Jennings <shentino@gmail.com>
wrote:

> My guess is that eventually it will be.  Microsoft tends to be fond of
> turfing old versions of its software *cough*windows10*cough*
>
> As the mantainer of a package with no patchable source code provided I'll
> have little choice but to reflect the upstream reality as clearly as
> possible.
>
> What I personally think would be nice:
>
> 1.  A backend layer, OS specific, that handles low level details like
> making network connections, writing to logs, opening audio/video devices
> (mic, speakers, webcam)
> 2.  A skype layer, OS and GUI independent, that contains everything
> related to skype's core stuff.  Encryption, contact lists, group chats,
> interfacing with the skype servers
> 3.  A frontend layer, OS specific, that handles window management,
> keyboard input, clicking on menus, providing widgets, and so on.  This
> could factor in differences between windows, OSX, GNOME, KDE, GTK+, and the
> like, all without compromising the portability of the middle or backend
> layers.
>
> If Microsoft broke its skype code up like this it would be extremely easy
> to maintain in a cross platform manner.
>
> This is how gallium3d was set up
>
> On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 6:33 AM, Daniel Campbell <zlg@gentoo.org> wrote:
>
>> On 10/04/2016 02:12 PM, Raymond Jennings wrote:
>> > Please be advised that skype has been split off into two packages
>> >
>> > * skype remains for the "classic" version of skype
>> > * skypeforlinux is the new package name for microsoft's alpha version
>> >
>> > There were some version number snarls and it was decided that a split
>> > would be cleaner.
>> >
>> > Blame microsoft for giving their current version a lower number than the
>> > classic one.
>> Thanks for the heads-up. I saw it in a recent additions/removal email
>> and checked eix but didn't see anything pointing out differences.
>>
>> Does MS have plans to force classic Skype to be obsolete? I hope not...
>> --
>> Daniel Campbell - Gentoo Developer
>> OpenPGP Key: 0x1EA055D6 @ hkp://keys.gnupg.net
>> fpr: AE03 9064 AE00 053C 270C  1DE4 6F7A 9091 1EA0 55D6
>>
>>
>

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