From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0462138C48 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 2015 03:59:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E67D7E086B; Wed, 15 Apr 2015 03:59:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-lb0-f175.google.com (mail-lb0-f175.google.com [209.85.217.175]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 68380E0805 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 2015 03:59:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by lbcga7 with SMTP id ga7so24381322lbc.1 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2015 20:59:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=yftYtbSu3iBnMK7Qwyxa7rFkWDgfZDm+Q1jYALRr6ow=; b=JvhGlSrN/Jmc2Wm/JGCeOBuBwxM+39mXCJRLRWlvZ4cdyWjHpCCtJiLu1DDqLrSYp5 mLVnjU5BJbNF5oDSI8JxNcUNCso1ziCbqtBZRIUT5J8PmzxqoyFdNi7Zl5fEfUaZp9dL IPJ7DDV6h0p827a3tfrhF3imoYWDF7pQD0umsxXO7MUSByU3KELoLiAk9ofqpp66uhJi l9QeDoQwkcMTITzvns0Ve9diD76U4+hS4mpz2iodM7D8Gg11sKc3lIZSR89WP9Yo4TW6 965o/uaGv6QZ3lHTD+PDaBgsSNfQ3WKwptJftNXN8OA4qZr27JYOvkpbm1/imprqMhTs uK7w== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.122.33 with SMTP id lp1mr21800075lbb.110.1429070370834; Tue, 14 Apr 2015 20:59:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.25.158.130 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Apr 2015 20:59:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87wq1mjnyx.fsf@heimdali.yagibdah.de> References: <87384gni7b.fsf@heimdali.yagibdah.de> <87wq1mjnyx.fsf@heimdali.yagibdah.de> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2015 05:59:30 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] xen on new install reboots by itself From: hydra To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bb03a98d00db40513bb5fd9 X-Archives-Salt: 075ce794-3770-4040-b24d-b8c965479e78 X-Archives-Hash: b480b21d5dbe490d63ab1063f63d58f9 --047d7bb03a98d00db40513bb5fd9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 11:43 PM, lee wrote: > hydra writes: > > > On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 3:20 PM, lee wrote: > > > >> symack writes: > >> > >> Other than that, unless you really do need full virtualization: I'm > >> finding Linux containers to be far more manageable than virtual > >> machines, and much more efficient. > >> > >> > > Can you please post some more details? > > About containers? > > There's very useful documentation about them like > https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/LXC ... > > What can I say? Virtualization with xen is like juggling with a set of > black boxes each of which aren't exactly accessible; the > documentation sucks, it's hard work to get it running and likewise hard > to maintain. > > Virtualization with containers is basically as simple as running just > another daemon. > > Which the "better" tool, or combination of tools is, depends on what you > want to accomplish. You could use containers in a VM, too, or use > virtualbox along with containers to run the odd VMs that require full > virtualzation. > > > -- > Again we must be afraid of speaking of daemons for fear that daemons > might swallow us. Finally, this fear has become reasonable. > > You mean the documentation at Gentoo about Xen sucks or the upstream documentation? What information are you missing from there? Maybe we can add the missing pieces for Xen being more accessible and easier to use, what do you think? :) --047d7bb03a98d00db40513bb5fd9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 11:43 PM, lee <lee@yagibdah.de> wro= te:
hydra <hydrapolic@gmail.com> writes:

> On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 3:20 PM, lee <lee@yagibdah.de> wrote:
>
>> symack <symack@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>> Other than that, unless you really do need full virtualization: I&= #39;m
>> finding Linux containers to be far more manageable than virtual >> machines, and much more efficient.
>>
>>
> Can you please post some more details?

About containers?

There's very useful documentation about them like
https://wiki= .gentoo.org/wiki/LXC ...

What can I say?=C2=A0 Virtualization with xen is like juggling with a set o= f
black boxes each of which aren't exactly accessible; the
documentation sucks, it's hard work to get it running and likewise hard=
to maintain.

Virtualization with containers is basically as simple as running just
another daemon.

Which the "better" tool, or combination of tools is, depends on w= hat you
want to accomplish.=C2=A0 You could use containers in a VM, too, or use
virtualbox along with containers to run the odd VMs that require full
virtualzation.


--
Again we must be afraid of speaking of daemons for fear that daemons
might swallow us.=C2=A0 Finally, this fear has become reasonable.


=C2=A0You mean the documen= tation at Gentoo about Xen sucks or the upstream documentation? What inform= ation are you missing from there? Maybe we can add=C2=A0 the missing pieces= for Xen being more accessible and easier to use, what do you think? :)
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