From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9CC613838B for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2014 01:51:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6FB6DE0B14; Sun, 21 Sep 2014 01:51:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ie0-f193.google.com (mail-ie0-f193.google.com [209.85.223.193]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FF75E0B04 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2014 01:51:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ie0-f193.google.com with SMTP id rd18so293873iec.8 for ; Sat, 20 Sep 2014 18:51:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=tyD5oLaPwqifd3TuPBLghy3JCSmUaRa1ApmwHEGs0lc=; b=0GIzfkIDaazmjMLbolzr+U807UMbL6rlo98EioE6I9g8dS9ikHBUFdGql4Q2YDiADV oUGxlH13nOkP93J5yVs1shANOuLB5+LT645/rGqUaNjWAho0HgRyZZHOCpSn8k99TTlI 6zPrxSx/j8xeoJTISv9eTd84PtMwlWIiE3Ofydj8I7OZRFduGN1NYLbn9LMa2ZkPV8JU NssYQU/RvqQ8q9RdUbzG5IGN25z8a0lW9L1ZWbhJWL7yHgq5F9HK8rYCDRnumV7haTr2 vlNC65lSPWHrgtIW163MZc6AROYmLI/syctHZsI9xEwUrHv0NDLZNtFs2e5LQu2WdL58 iHSQ== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.62.12 with SMTP id u12mr5865886igr.39.1411264280511; Sat, 20 Sep 2014 18:51:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.227.39 with HTTP; Sat, 20 Sep 2014 18:51:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <541A235F.4020106@alectenharmsel.com> Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 09:51:20 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Linus Torvalds on systemd From: Mark David Dumlao To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bdca3182019c00503899243 X-Archives-Salt: 172a7a24-1117-4210-88bd-2ac5fa950714 X-Archives-Hash: 5975c048d51d6dce513ce25c10206f4a --047d7bdca3182019c00503899243 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Mark David Dumlao wrote: > > > On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 2:58 AM, Grant Edwards > wrote: > >> On 2014-09-20, Mark David Dumlao wrote: >> >> >> The only Linux systems where I care about boot time are embedded >> >> systems which are never going to have the resources needed to run >> >> systemd. >> > >> > You are mistaken. >> >> No, I am not. >> >> > I've helped a friend debug problems on a couple devices running a >> > custom Arch system with systemd. >> >> How does that contradict the statement I made that the systems where I >> care about boot times do not have the resources required to run >> systemd? >> > > You made a generic, catch-all statement about embedded systems which isnt > necessarily true. There are plenty of routers or NAS devices or ipcams, etc > that have the resources to run systemd. Pretty much everything that has the > space to fit the kernel and a a few MB has the resources to run it > Sorry I clicked somewhere onscreen and it sent immediately. An audit of 204 on debian shows that it's small to negligible, with a lot of optional components. https://people.debian.org/~stapelberg/docs/systemd-dependencies.html > > -- > This email is: [ ] actionable [ ] fyi [ ] social > Response needed: [ ] yes [ ] up to you [ ] no > Time-sensitive: [ ] immediate [ ] soon [ ] none > -- This email is: [ ] actionable [ ] fyi [ ] social Response needed: [ ] yes [ ] up to you [ ] no Time-sensitive: [ ] immediate [ ] soon [ ] none --047d7bdca3182019c00503899243 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Mark David Dumlao &l= t;madumlao@gmail.co= m> wrote:


On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 2:58 AM, Grant Edwards= <grant.b.edwards@gmail.com> wrote:
On 2014-09-20, Mark David Dumla= o <madumlao@gmai= l.com> wrote:

>> The only Linux systems where I care about boot time are embedded >> systems which are never going to have the resources needed to run<= br> >> systemd.
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> You are mistaken.

No, I am not.

> I've helped a friend debug problems on a couple devices running a<= br> > custom Arch system with systemd.

How does that contradict the statement I made that the systems where= I
care about boot times do not have the resources required to run
systemd?

You made a generic= , catch-all statement about embedded systems which isnt necessarily true. T= here are plenty of routers or NAS devices or ipcams, etc that have the reso= urces to run systemd. Pretty much everything that has the space to fit the = kernel and a a few MB has the resources to run it

Sorry I clicked somewhere onscreen and i= t sent immediately. An audit of 204 on debian shows that it's small to = negligible, with a lot of optional components.

https://people.= debian.org/~stapelberg/docs/systemd-dependencies.html


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