From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A64B213838B for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 21:25:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2E540E0AAF; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 21:25:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ie0-f178.google.com (mail-ie0-f178.google.com [209.85.223.178]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0C15DE09DE for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 21:25:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ie0-f178.google.com with SMTP id at20so2576545iec.23 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 14:25:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=lSy6cNdhxxWFAMnIZHy36v82rnJt5t2+g76PWn0HrsI=; b=luEYWmpHCE6Ecq8IZ4ww2wBr0vAaZHBznnoERIm7g7v0JN5v0B8KXCwoG3z1o69Etn +DVqdROKa0cOYxhHFmQXnsLUBEgOjzo9u1/tUmpGWMofNCDGA9C0voXQfanH7LFXHHZM uBsfwGADHKRlQloioyaP0YOaca/80mFnNCLbcesAvoZyzkBiEuMmmXUBHcp+8R555bbc aCPnMWqiH3ZKPjHzZQsMT7r5m1kbmPwRGm7AJTafA4ZkXVZTqUFgW9xABeHo6tGs+LWy XTYvFz0s5egp5V0qJehASlUB1S5D7VBhgUpKCuM5KEhFLY4Y415ivCvRQ1r1pd8K6GUc iaBw== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.50.198 with SMTP id e6mr41818062igo.1.1410989123000; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 14:25:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.227.39 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 14:25:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.227.39 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 14:25:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 05:25:22 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Linus Torvalds on systemd From: Mark David Dumlao To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bd75df275654f0503498143 X-Archives-Salt: 5a9cc32e-8bbe-4c8f-ae85-3fb2c8a9af99 X-Archives-Hash: 67ff8f72ffdf24a46d3bd6f96c50cb31 --047d7bd75df275654f0503498143 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Sep 18, 2014 5:19 AM, "James" wrote: > > Rich Freeman gentoo.org> writes: > > > > Uh, the only thing the Linux kernel does is spawn a single process as > > PID 1 and offer a VERY STABLE system call interface for that and > > future processes to make requests. Nobody is going to break sysvinit > > if that happens to be the thing you tell Linux to execute as PID 1. > > OK, where are your performance studies on how wonderful systemd is? > Simple (2) identical system except for systemd only on one. Run a > wide variety of tests, publish the data. > > Publish perfomanced metrics; Choice; Unreasonable? > The classic open source answer to being told to do a lot of work on publicly available data is "do it yourself, youre not paying my bills you entitled ____". (paraphrased from "code talks") > > > > Whether anybody else actually supports sysvinit is a different matter. > > I'm sure it will be around in Gentoo for a long time, and those with > > official Gentoo support contracts will get the same care they are used > > to. :) > > I'm not sure if this is a threat, a promise or are you just trash talkin > with me now? > > Besides, there is another thing you are not considering. The world of > embedded linux >> user linux. So, the embedded designers are all > wonderfully in line with systemd? Have you been to any of those > forums? They live by cgroups, because a few folks showed them how > to minimize embedded systems with age old state diagrams. Have you > offered them the systemd or highway plan yet? last i checked, systemd uses cgroups - its a central part of the service management bits. so what the frack are you on about? > > It's not me, Rich, it lots of other technically astute folks that > are not happy. I just want choice. I hope systemd is wildly successful, > but I'm old school, so you and others are going to have to "show me". > > > > James > > > > --047d7bd75df275654f0503498143 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Sep 18, 2014 5:19 AM, "James" <wireless@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>
> Rich Freeman <rich0 <at> gentoo= .org> writes:
>
>
> > Uh, the only thing the Linux kernel does is spawn a single proces= s as
> > PID 1 and offer a VERY STABLE system call interface for that and<= br> > > future processes to make requests.=C2=A0 Nobody is going to break= sysvinit
> > if that happens to be the thing you tell Linux to execute as PID = 1.
>
> OK, where are your performance studies on how wonderful systemd is? > Simple (2) identical system except for systemd only on one. Run a
> wide variety of tests, publish the data.
>
> Publish perfomanced metrics; Choice; Unreasonable?
>

The classic open source answer to being told to do a lot of = work on publicly available data is

"do it yourself, youre not paying my bills you entitled= ____".
(paraphrased from "code talks")

>
>
> > Whether anybody else actually supports sysvinit is a different ma= tter.
> > I'm sure it will be around in Gentoo for a long time, and tho= se with
> > official Gentoo support contracts will get the same care they are= used
> > to.=C2=A0 :)
>
> I'm not sure if this is a threat, a promise or are you just trash = talkin
> with me now?
>
> Besides, there is another thing you are not considering. The world of<= br> > embedded linux >> user linux. So, the embedded designers are all=
> wonderfully in line with systemd?=C2=A0 Have you been to any of those<= br> > forums? They live by cgroups, because a few folks showed them how
> to minimize embedded systems with age old state diagrams. Have you
> offered them the systemd or highway plan yet?

last i checked, systemd uses cgroups - its a central part of= the service management bits. so what the frack are you on about?

>
> It's not me, Rich, it lots of other technically astute folks that<= br> > are not happy. I just want choice. I hope systemd is wildly successful= ,
> but I'm old school, so you and others are going to have to "s= how me".
>
>
>
> James
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>
>
>

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