From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8A9413838B for ; Sat, 20 Sep 2014 14:11:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 60500E0A04; Sat, 20 Sep 2014 14:11:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ie0-f195.google.com (mail-ie0-f195.google.com [209.85.223.195]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 39D3BE0881 for ; Sat, 20 Sep 2014 14:11:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ie0-f195.google.com with SMTP id rp18so130264iec.10 for ; Sat, 20 Sep 2014 07:11:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=TPPKIzWuOVzmeWfUZjnw4VbZT6ATtzdl1gebltgBwB0=; b=TiD9ARnoNJDqUhHxQIYwqOeeRzxAJ0F1UyBCIzElhYguSZ1YIltZ6bGbyn9wJu8qct DaSYRWTReL0SZ7BLQvBIjgUfosZv7+R1s2ZsqxHf2lO80i9wPPLUcBwQd67XpNbhm/oU YIYaw1s6e2ObLCI2fiDOUdbKDWOzgZ9H5RaSeRvksNahTpZXRJCm6YciI6GJuHQJlJUw k6QvLlF5s+Pr8ohhZMi69TtQkSSHJDGuebFlcGq60aOkzHiwIPdAec+t6s2NDJlGYpZE AfUY6R8l3YabZwdCOwo7NAsyWeZhjiMwyugFX2VWW6seta5tr/z3Pz/sJ5qpP0/1X3bs HbXw== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.79.201 with SMTP id l9mr3153979igx.17.1411222272439; Sat, 20 Sep 2014 07:11:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.227.39 with HTTP; Sat, 20 Sep 2014 07:11:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <541A235F.4020106@alectenharmsel.com> Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 22:11:12 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Linus Torvalds on systemd From: Mark David Dumlao To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e013cbb8a3f808d05037fcaa7 X-Archives-Salt: d0901ce5-d858-45bc-aa77-f80edbaf706c X-Archives-Hash: 0643d661507b2ef230c2924654ac8232 --089e013cbb8a3f808d05037fcaa7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 3:18 AM, Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2014-09-18, Alec Ten Harmsel wrote: > > Mark David Dumlao wrote: > >> The code is out there. Freely available. Both systemd and sysvinit. > >> If you wanted to measure both, you could, literally, in the time it > >> took since you first posted in this thread till now you could have > >> measured several times and left mean comments about whichever > >> system you hated the most. > > > > Unfortunately, the systemd guys keep screaming that systemd is faster, > > and burden of proof is on the party that's claiming something. It's not > > James'/Volker's responsibility to prove that systemd isn't faster. > > I don't understand all the hoopla about systemd being "faster". > > Faster at what? > > Booting? > > The only Linux systems where I care about boot time are embedded > systems which are never going to have the resources needed to run > systemd. You are mistaken. I've helped a friend debug problems on a couple devices running a custom Arch system with systemd. -- This email is: [ ] actionable [ ] fyi [ ] social Response needed: [ ] yes [ ] up to you [ ] no Time-sensitive: [ ] immediate [ ] soon [ ] none --089e013cbb8a3f808d05037fcaa7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 3:18 AM, Grant Edwards <grant.b.edwards@gmail.com> wrote:
On 2014-09-18, Alec Ten Harmsel <alec@alectenharmsel.com> wrote:
> Mark David Dumlao wrote:
>> The code is out there. Freely available. Both systemd and sysvinit= .
>> If you wanted to measure both, you could, literally, in the time i= t
>> took since you first posted in this thread till now you could have=
>> measured several times and left mean comments about whichever
>> system you hated the most.
>
> Unfortunately, the systemd guys keep screaming that systemd is faster,=
> and burden of proof is on the party that's claiming something. It&= #39;s not
> James'/Volker's responsibility to prove that systemd isn't= faster.

I don't understand all the hoopla about systemd being "fast= er".

Faster at what?

Booting?

The only Linux systems where I care about boot time are embedded
systems which are never going to have the resources needed to run
systemd.

You are mistaken. I've helped = a friend debug problems on a couple devices running a custom Arch system wi= th systemd.
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