From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6866E13838B for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 23:04:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8FFC4E0AE5; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 23:04:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ig0-f194.google.com (mail-ig0-f194.google.com [209.85.213.194]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 16ACBE0AAF for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 23:04:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ig0-f194.google.com with SMTP id a13so57194igq.5 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 16:04:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=dYPm3OaX80p416VrhYdQ8D8mezS1uxJr50iNF7uA/GE=; b=t7zS9NXoOujWRcsU1doCAY8LZ1xsjjKwwTVMBqqVqnXapHSDCJ90kSFUMzxC9ssfTt IgE1M4ZZLBwgC4iXCnmHvhdSuKu5OD/VdLuofX2k9x3W2HSAZXm0WD3StRqo7q3jfBl1 mSO81Vq0EdeczKsbHB8PmRgcGUFUnZkqEUXC465s0vLea6s9pmEs+rPJ2avRPuEXDkJC oWoduoysujF3QcSG+PZiJQu8uvIqGspZJKKFzlc+PK+p6vjax5wTgWznvohzTDJpCK/c bp4IN4rUCPNmSeoUdxK3C20uJeYfRQdkwbPXqUDSPUcr/y+A5VojL6sq4D7p/LOJyVhW GGVQ== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.43.155.13 with SMTP id lg13mr8636204icc.15.1410995073201; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 16:04:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.227.39 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 16:04:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <541A0E09.9090809@googlemail.com> References: <541A0E09.9090809@googlemail.com> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 07:04:33 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Linus Torvalds on systemd From: Mark David Dumlao To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c22eb61e3c0305034ae457 X-Archives-Salt: 3913b50c-7875-4400-bc7a-40404b2ef463 X-Archives-Hash: a615b895aebc0e2928ea157f4caceeef --001a11c22eb61e3c0305034ae457 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 6:41 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann < volkerarmin@googlemail.com> wrote: > Am 17.09.2014 um 23:42 schrieb Mark David Dumlao: > > > On Sep 18, 2014 5:36 AM, "James" wrote: > > > > Mark David Dumlao gmail.com> writes: > > > > > > > > Publish perfomanced metrics; Choice; Unreasonable? > > > The classic open source answer to being told to do a lot of > > > work on publicly available data is > > > > I'm sorry, I must have missed your link to the published data? > > Sure it exist and I have just missed it? > > > > > > Make it yourself you entitled dickwad. this is what you get for being > polite to idiots. > > > well, you claim there is data. So provide at least a set of search terms > to find it. > > There is the code and his system, and it's all the data he needs. > Also some comparism of code size systemd vs init+ lets say metalog. > > Also, some explanation why it is a good idea to read the kernel command > line and reuse commands from there. Like 'debug'. > You're just as bad as him. No seriously, people like to talk about how high the signal to noise ratio of the gentoo mailing list is, and it would be much higher if not for trolls like you putting in so much noise and distraction. Canek has been patient as all heck for so many years now, even down to the point of manning up and providing public ebuilds for systemd integration, even an overlay that allowed sysvinit and systemd to integrate better, while you naysayers whine more and more about how he practically doesn't cook breakfast for you. Separating init functions from openrc? Canek's helped a big deal with that. It's a disgrace and you really ought to be ashamed of yourself for harassing someone who _actually provided code_ while you just piled more and more bullshit on his plate. And now here he is again, being patient to a fault, pointing out that one of the excuses we've seen again, and again, and again, and again hoisted on him - that Linus doesn't like something therefore its bad - is actually false, again providing sources to back up what he's saying while you piddle your Unix plattitudes, and now what? Harass him to do even more unpaid research again? I hate to see people abused like this. He won't swear so I'm going to do it for him since I've gotten sick of this circle-jerking mailing list. Stop being a jerk and acting like it's cool. He wants data? It's not hard to produce it. Install systemd and sysvinit side by side (something Canek helped become possible), boot once to openrc and boot another to systemd. If there's no difference, YOU publish it and be open to public scrutiny, not him. -- This email is: [ ] actionable [ ] fyi [ ] social Response needed: [ ] yes [ ] up to you [ ] no Time-sensitive: [ ] immediate [ ] soon [ ] none --001a11c22eb61e3c0305034ae457 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 6:41 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann <volker= armin@googlemail.com> wrote:
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Am 17.09.2014 um 23:42 schrieb Mark David Dumlao:


On Sep 18, 2014 5:36 AM, "James" <wireless@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
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> Mark David Dumlao <madumlao <at> gmail.com> writes:
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> > > Publish perfomanced metrics; Choice; Unreasonable?
> > The classic open source answer to being told to do a lot of
> > work on publicly available data is
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> I'm sorry, I must have missed your link to the published data?
> Sure it exist and I have just missed it?
>
>

Make it yourself you entitled dickwad. this is what you get for being polite to idiots.


well, you claim there is data. So provide at least a set of search terms to find it.


There is the code and his system, and i= t's all the data he needs.
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Also some comparism of code size systemd vs init+ lets say metalog.

Also, some explanation why it is a good idea to read the kernel command line and reuse commands from there. Like 'debug'.

You're just as = bad as him. No seriously, people like to talk about how high the signal to = noise ratio of the gentoo mailing list is, and it would be much higher if n= ot for trolls like you putting in so much noise and distraction. Canek has = been patient as all heck for so many years now, even down to the point of m= anning up and providing public ebuilds for systemd integration, even an ove= rlay that allowed sysvinit and systemd to integrate better, while you naysa= yers whine more and more about how he practically doesn't cook breakfas= t for you. Separating init functions from openrc? Canek's helped a big = deal with that. It's a disgrace and you really ought to be ashamed of y= ourself for harassing someone who _actually provided code_ while you just p= iled more and more bullshit on his plate.

And now here he is again, being patient to a fault, pointing out tha= t one of the excuses we've seen again, and again, and again, and again = hoisted on him - that Linus doesn't like something therefore its bad - = is actually false, again providing sources to back up what he's saying = while you piddle your Unix plattitudes, and now what? Harass him to do even= more unpaid research again?

I hate= to see people abused like this. He won't swear so I'm going to do = it for him since I've gotten sick of this circle-jerking mailing list.<= br>
Stop being a jerk and acting like i= t's cool.

He wants data? It'= ;s not hard to produce it. Install systemd and sysvinit side by side (somet= hing Canek helped become possible), boot once to openrc and boot another to= systemd. If there's no difference, YOU publish it and be open to publi= c scrutiny, not him.
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