From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA10F1381F3 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 10:11:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 81CD0E0BC1; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 10:11:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ie0-f171.google.com (mail-ie0-f171.google.com [209.85.223.171]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 96464E0B75 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 10:11:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ie0-f171.google.com with SMTP id tp5so11166509ieb.16 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 03:11:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ssi/0uPx5I/LjZHmlIul/CZLAYCF/jcihbEnKhmrXT0=; b=Evr277VL46R8cCd7hMGwWYSnZWDtOjwOmp01Ha28HQNwDCeMLkGGmfYcLzFqaC062X YzJVene6lKIVSbExA1PnedY713MP1AzCGQ4gvv4SbEvw3IxVIv+sJXex0DT7rgyMl51R ZwbT7nlkRBMYKv+DKJu7wkhA9P5cSWsUX+NgaJxJbZ8Gjjp3RfNRXRvHY0xtE1HafN/5 lMuPCHqiZrctPAunD4/JAMoCvR9EBNePPRwQOPmhZ4MjMkNfTYauMQO21uq2T1c4Rj4R lw5153xEcIAqdkHja39mdE1ZsEfTxD/Ueqtk7VpTxNxbGluSU1eV3ne+G8616rXpqnaO P0qA== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.234.162 with SMTP id uf2mr8720328igc.48.1382350293664; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 03:11:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.158.163 with HTTP; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 03:11:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5264FA0F.8070802@libertytrek.org> References: <52629F15.1050803@sporkbox.us> <5263174E.8000004@googlemail.com> <5263795D.2070503@sporkbox.us> <5263A157.4070001@googlemail.com> <5263B5F3.9020604@sporkbox.us> <5263EBD8.2010400@libertytrek.org> <5264FA0F.8070802@libertytrek.org> Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 18:11:33 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and kernel developers cooperating to turn it into a global cgroup manager? From: Mark David Dumlao To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Archives-Salt: ec6346c6-7319-4c07-bcc8-ef39d826e875 X-Archives-Hash: e6a11b05688ecddefa3f43c29d802049 On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 5:55 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: > On 2013-10-20 9:14 PM, Mark David Dumlao wrote: >> >> Linus isnt actually actively developing the kernel nowadays. Mostly he >> just merges commits from his "trusted lieutenants" in charge of various >> subsystems. The notion of Linus as being at the helm is mostly just a >> convenient fiction that corporate culture (and by extension, the media) >> - which is used to "strong leadership" - uses to make sense of open >> source development. > > > I know all that, but he does have the final word on merges still, right? > Which is the most important aspect of the point at hand... > I doubt he actually has the time to read every line of code submitted to the kernel, being that in 2008, it was running at 6000+ lines / changes per day and it's only gotten faster. Again, most of kernel development is very largely self-organizing. There are of course, rally points around some personalities, but it's an exaggeration of trust to rely on Linus to be the gatekeeper for political decisions. Especially since he famously dislikes getting involved in politics. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2SED6sewRw tldr: if the maintainer of some subsystem agrees, it's probably in. It takes a lot of trust to get to become a maintainer. -- This email is: [ ] actionable [x] fyi [ ] social Response needed: [ ] yes [ ] up to you [x] no Time-sensitive: [ ] immediate [ ] soon [x] none