From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C1EA1381F3 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 01:14:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8B6C9E0B0B; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 01:14:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ie0-f179.google.com (mail-ie0-f179.google.com [209.85.223.179]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5E310E0AEA for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 01:14:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ie0-f179.google.com with SMTP id aq17so10755036iec.10 for ; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 18:14:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=5xL22DFNlIkbu8Q3GIgKn/wlGHRTHlqsmBZL6kffev0=; b=Ultjrchl/wUpofa2sqHYNfuwlJrxIRtOikUFGvcMDr2ti0LZamXM71prVESKIUZKuo 6kbfQ78pxiq1x9EAwqfuZLPdo4wNgzZU8zxrpduH7vdyXyKaEVFJS/1fFSNKCyrhKMtH QQ2SUYaZPj8FJq9wMcbexo9aXg+o4BXiX6ElGhUz4B7C/14QEvBpSrLeqUiaMRvVLuLr JLfEg0xmpkSMPKP3YSYkYZH5BvLcB6BAULOyVHuN/5Q//N2MBYQ0yFNd9B/HLwtjd2vP i+zENDu2Z4hTCPFb6+kl5ZhX2frHNYNqMdLQODburl9YlE+vCxjH/8lvDoj2XwJWd/tx eOLg== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.117.40 with SMTP id kb8mr7472223igb.60.1382318045223; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 18:14:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.158.163 with HTTP; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 18:14:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.158.163 with HTTP; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 18:14:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5263EBD8.2010400@libertytrek.org> References: <52629F15.1050803@sporkbox.us> <5263174E.8000004@googlemail.com> <5263795D.2070503@sporkbox.us> <5263A157.4070001@googlemail.com> <5263B5F3.9020604@sporkbox.us> <5263EBD8.2010400@libertytrek.org> Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 09:14:05 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and kernel developers cooperating to turn it into a global cgroup manager? From: Mark David Dumlao To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0115f49a0d663a04e9360062 X-Archives-Salt: c7ac0b3e-649b-4556-b14f-aabe89cefbeb X-Archives-Hash: 9960721e8593cfaa145861e9ff0ea989 --089e0115f49a0d663a04e9360062 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Oct 20, 2013 10:44 PM, "Tanstaafl" wrote: > > On 2013-10-20 6:52 AM, Daniel Campbell wrote: >> >> So they spend a lot of money hiring developers. The more important >> question is what is their agenda? What do they tell those developers to >> *make*? You don't hire people without a business plan in mind. > > > Well, once I understood their (Redhat's) motivation, which was/is enterprise/cloud/vm oriented (which is why they were so concerned about parallelism for startup, etc) - I dropped the conspiracy theory aspect of it all... it actually does make sense in that context. > > And as long as Linus is at the helm of kernel development, I'm not too worried about the systemd guys doing too much damage there - I just can't see him letting it happen. > > If I were the type to worry just for the sake of worrying, I'd be wondering what may happen down the road, if Linus were to suddenly lose interest in kernel development (for whatever reason) and walk away from it - who/what would take over the reins? But that would be pointless... > Linus isnt actually actively developing the kernel nowadays. Mostly he just merges commits from his "trusted lieutenants" in charge of various subsystems. The notion of Linus as being at the helm is mostly just a convenient fiction that corporate culture (and by extension, the media) - which is used to "strong leadership" - uses to make sense of open source development. That's partly why he finds it funny when people take his flames too seriously, as if they were Word of God. If he took were cut down by a sith lord, most likely morton's tree would seamlessly be the new upstream. --089e0115f49a0d663a04e9360062 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Oct 20, 2013 10:44 PM, "Tanstaafl" <tanstaafl@libertytrek.org> wrote:
>
> On 2013-10-20 6:52 AM, Daniel Campbell <lists@sporkbox.us> wrote:
>>
>> So they spend a lot of money hiring developers. The more important=
>> question is what is their agenda? What do they tell those develope= rs to
>> *make*? You don't hire people without a business plan in mind.=
>
>
> Well, once I understood their (Redhat's) motivation, which was/is = enterprise/cloud/vm oriented (which is why they were so concerned about par= allelism for startup, etc) - I dropped the conspiracy theory aspect of it a= ll... it actually does make sense in that context.
>
> And as long as Linus is at the helm of kernel development, I'm not= too worried about the systemd guys doing too much damage there - I just ca= n't see him letting it happen.
>
> If I were the type to worry just for the sake of worrying, I'd be = wondering what may happen down the road, if Linus were to suddenly lose int= erest in kernel development (for whatever reason) and walk away from it - w= ho/what would take over the reins? But that would be pointless...
>

Linus isnt actually actively developing the kernel nowadays. Mostly he j= ust merges commits from his "trusted lieutenants" in charge of va= rious subsystems. The notion of Linus as being at the helm is mostly just a= convenient fiction that corporate culture (and by extension, the media) - = which is used to "strong leadership" - uses to make sense of open= source development.

That's partly why he finds it funny when people take his flames too = seriously, as if they were Word of God.

If he took were cut down by a sith lord, most likely morton's tree w= ould seamlessly be the new upstream.

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