From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1RZNGu-0007uG-Ht for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 13:47:25 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0440121C201; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 13:47:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pz0-f53.google.com (mail-pz0-f53.google.com [209.85.210.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26B0321C02A for ; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 13:46:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by dady9 with SMTP id y9so5726488dad.40 for ; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 05:46:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=1lf9R0xQfmLvk4lqSF/acGvHXZR5KHxx/9lup0k89B0=; b=nhcGREYlGkNgxO/mcQ72LbBPJ5fE2zpqYmTAB8iZkdA04LT6UmR+3/FJ3N22IP0DQt y+9bYIpbJEAEowFZaaljN2wihF1PdLjCMPbCpfNIA7l3oi/GlEaPlB9boasQQx8DTUNd O7LlQRCU/tSFxVld+lWh65MWO0KTQSn+UC7I4= Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.213.37 with SMTP id np5mr15797900pbc.61.1323524776940; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 05:46:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.58.135 with HTTP; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 05:46:16 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20111208221108.GF13528@eisen.lan> References: <201112082009.36698.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> <20111208221108.GF13528@eisen.lan> Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 08:46:16 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse From: LinuxIsOne To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8ff1c6ae2e55af04b3bd20cb X-Archives-Salt: f9d6a2ea-c791-48fc-a13a-7e5756f18e90 X-Archives-Hash: cb4cb7f1119b9dd5e4c2949a645fba60 --e89a8ff1c6ae2e55af04b3bd20cb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 5:11 PM, Frank Steinmetzger wrote: > I did this in the past. But recently I=92m reassessing this, with Ubuntu > changing > the default look and the way it works with every other release (remember > the > hassle about window buttons to the left by default?). I can=92t really > explain > -- let alone justify -- to a newbie, who had to adapt from Win to Ubuntu > that > he has to do so again, whether he wants to or not. Plus it seems to me th= ey > are trying to become Apple in the Linux world, with own services (and > design). > I am totally at a loss with entry-level distros right now. > > I tried Mint, also the new one with Gnome 3. The praised Mint menu seems > overloaded to me (it shows too much at once IMHO). I somehow dislike cust= om > layers over a standard interface, much like, if I bought an HTC Android, = I > would reflash it without Sense UI, but I=92m digressing. > > OpenSuse seems even more overloaded. Albeit it provides a whole > environment, > Yast was full of stuff a simple user will never need. It also caused a ve= ry > long and voluminous installation process. > I must add though that I peeked into both Mint and Suse only for a day or > so, > without ever using it myself, so I don=92t know jack about update procedu= res. > > A friend of mine wanted Linux, so I installed Debian stable for her with > KDE > 4.4. It=92s not bleeding edge, but it works because it doesn=92t change m= uch > (hence > keeps working) and because she doesn=92t do a lot of fancy stuff. (And al= so > because I used Debian testing for a while, so I know a bit about how to d= o > some > helpdesking). > I have come to conclusion that almost all Linux work almost in the same way since they have the same kernel, however, this is what I think. --e89a8ff1c6ae2e55af04b3bd20cb Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 5:11 PM, Frank Steinmetzg= er <Warp_7@gmx.de= > wrote:
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I did this in the past. But recently I=92m reassessing this, with Ubuntu ch= anging
the default look and the way it works with every other release (remember th= e
hassle about window buttons to the left by default?). I can=92t really expl= ain
-- let alone justify -- to a newbie, who had to adapt from Win to Ubuntu th= at
he has to do so again, whether he wants to or not. Plus it seems to me they=
are trying to become Apple in the Linux world, with own services (and desig= n).
I am totally at a loss with entry-level distros right now.

I tried Mint, also the new one with Gnome 3. The praised Mint menu seems overloaded to me (it shows too much at once IMHO). I somehow dislike custom=
layers over a standard interface, much like, if I bought an HTC Android, I<= br> would reflash it without Sense UI, but I=92m digressing.

OpenSuse seems even more overloaded. Albeit it provides a whole environment= ,
Yast was full of stuff a simple user will never need. It also caused a very=
long and voluminous installation process.
I must add though that I peeked into both Mint and Suse only for a day or s= o,
without ever using it myself, so I don=92t know jack about update procedure= s.

A friend of mine wanted Linux, so I installed Debian stable for her with KD= E
4.4. It=92s not bleeding edge, but it works because it doesn=92t change muc= h (hence
keeps working) and because she doesn=92t do a lot of fancy stuff. (And also=
because I used Debian testing for a while, so I know a bit about how to do = some
helpdesking).

I have come to conclusion that almo= st all Linux work almost in the same way since they have the same kernel, h= owever, this is what I think.
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