From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1RZNLO-0000gm-Pg for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 13:52:03 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 87A2A21C236; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 13:51:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pz0-f53.google.com (mail-pz0-f53.google.com [209.85.210.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ECC121C226 for ; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 13:49:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: by dady9 with SMTP id y9so5728783dad.40 for ; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 05:49:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=/5qhr8Nx5J5Y5Ar68sPKAfrx4pws8LgWFNzFMkx6R54=; b=t6Z/+mSmZIJlB8Ucl9Ahl02GnQAZGhNLO1mjcn1O/irbZX+jBPyZnlNv1L25roWRBc bmigB6lqQT4itukirxN6k+rhFy3JGN7QFG+MTuBhl6vW4nb/RlYgvAOt3HOFFP1TqOd5 HQJDxg6jPfg4ts0BEmR9cZxJB4BHpQ/wE+wcc= Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.73.6 with SMTP id h6mr16176101pbv.27.1323524951965; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 05:49:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.58.135 with HTTP; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 05:49:11 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20111206213502.GA30374@gaurahari.merseine.nu> Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 08:49:11 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse From: LinuxIsOne To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Archives-Salt: b2415794-c393-4a44-a08f-ec3c37cac9fd X-Archives-Hash: b9f8a4a99a16ffda2cf3e148f66fe2d1 On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 12:05 PM, Paul Hartman wrote: > I just want to say that I love Gentoo Linux, have used it as my > primary OS for years on multiple computers and can't stand to use > anything else. I like having total control over everything. I truly > enjoy it, the Gentoo Way just feels like "the right way" in general to > me. That is my subjective opinion. > But I also want to say that just because you're forced to do things > yourself doesn't mean that makes them inherently better-performing or > secure. :) One can just as easily screw up their CFLAGS and a have > terrible security setup, especially a beginner. This list's archives > are full of such stories... > I say install a binary distro to get your feet wet with Linux. > Understand the basic concepts of how the system works, using a shell, > editing config files, etc. Once that's not a 100% foreign experience > to you, then go and install Gentoo using the great docs, wikis, > forums, mailing lists and IRC as your guide, and we can be your > hand-holding friends along the way. > I would also suggest using a virtual machine for your first > installations. It will make it a lot less scary. You messed up > partitioning? No problem, you didn't just destroy your Windows > installation or your life-long collection of digital photos (that you > probably never got around to making a backup of). > As a newbie to Linux, comparing distros is usually equivalent to > comparing the default desktop environment, wallpaper and color scheme. > They don't know enough to care about bootloader, filesystem layout, > LVM, package manager, or whatever holy wars linux distros are having > these days. :) > A beginner can certainly follow along the Gentoo install docs, but I > think it takes a certain kind of person to tolerate it... Blindly > copy-pasting commands that they don't understand isn't necessarily > going to teach them anything. Not any more than blindly copy-pasting > example code from a programming textbook makes you a programmer... > Having at least some basic understand of the commands you're typing in > will greatly enhance the experience, in my opinion. Nice suggestions. > Good luck to the OP, whatever he chooses. Welcome to the dark side. :) Thanks.