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Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: From where the word 'gentoo' came?
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Furthermore, the following publication is at least close enough to start
on. I don't have access today.
@article{forster1781natural,
title={Natural History and Description of the Tyger-Cat of the Cape
of Good Hope. By John Reinhold Forster, LL. DFR and AS},
author={Forster, J.R.},
journal={Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society of London},
volume={71},
pages={1--6},
year={1781},
publisher={JSTOR}
}
Alan
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 1:58 PM, Alan E. Davis <lngndvs@gmail.com> wrote:
> Actually, the full nomenclatural information is:
>
> *Pygoscelis papua* (J.R. Forster<http://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/J.R._Forster>,
> 1781). So there is a publication by J. R. Forster in 1781, describing this
> penguin.
>
> Alan
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 1:56 PM, Alan E. Davis <lngndvs@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> For what it's worth (possibly nothing), from Wikipedia:
>>
>> The application of *Gentoo* to the penguin is unclear, according to the *
>> OED <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OED>*, which reports that *Gentoo* was
>> an Anglo-Indian term, used as early as 1638 to distinguish Hindus<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu>in India from Muslims, the English term originating in Portuguese
>> *gentio* (compare "gentile <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentile>"); in
>> the twentieth century the term came to be regarded as derogatory<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derogatory>
>> .
>>
>> This needs to be followed up. One interesting publication would be
>>
>> @article{calaby1999european,
>> title={The European Discovery and Scientific Description of Australian Birds.},
>> author={Calaby, JH},
>> journal={Historical Records of Australian Science},
>> volume={12},
>> number={3},
>> pages={313--329},
>> year={1999},
>> publisher={CSIRO}
>> }
>>
>> to which I do not have access. However, this investigation is not over. The scientific name of the Gentoo Penguin is *Pygoscelis papua. It should not be difficult to find the original description?*
>>
>>
>>
>> Alan Davis
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 9:50 AM, Nikos Chantziaras <realnc@arcor.de>wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/21/2011 04:59 PM, Joshua Murphy wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 7:32 AM, LinuxIsOne<reallife@hmamail.**com<reallife@hmamail.com>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Daniel Troeder<daniel@admin-box.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Also (ir)relevant: bug report concerning the mascot Larry the cow:
>>>>>> https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_**bug.cgi?id=27727<https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27727>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> But your links shows untrusted connection in my browser!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> That would likely be because cacert.org isn't a "trusted' authority by
>>>> default and that is the issuer for B.G.O., making the certificate
>>>> throw up a red flag if you choose not to add cacert.org to your
>>>> trusted authorities.
>>>>
>>>
>>> What sucks is that you can't even get rid of the warnings even if you
>>> accept and add the cert to Firefox. Every time you click on an attachment
>>> in a bug, you get presented with a warning dialog again, and again, and
>>> again, and again, until you get mad and start shooting bunnies. That's
>>> because the domain changes with attachments (for some reason, b.g.o. uses
>>> subdomains instead of URLs to link to attachments.)
>>>
>>> So it's either add cacert.org to your trusted authorities, or live in
>>> hell when browsing b.g.o. IMO that's just stupid. I want to trust just
>>> b.g.o, not every site out there that has a cacert certificate. Stupid.
>>> Just stupid.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
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Furthermore, the following publication is at least close enough to start on=
.=A0 I don't have access today.<br><br><pre>@article{forster1781natural=
,
title=3D{Natural History and Description of the Tyger-Cat of the Cape of =
Good Hope. By John Reinhold Forster, LL. DFR and AS},
author=3D{Forster, J.R.},
journal=3D{Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society of London},
volume=3D{71},
pages=3D{1--6},
year=3D{1781},
publisher=3D{JSTOR}
}
<br>Alan<br></pre><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 a=
t 1:58 PM, Alan E. Davis <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:lngndvs@gm=
ail.com">lngndvs@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gm=
ail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-le=
ft:1ex">
Actually, the full nomenclatural information is:<br><br><i>Pygoscelis papua=
</i> (<a href=3D"http://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/J.R._Forster" title=3D"J=
.R. Forster" target=3D"_blank">J.R. Forster</a>, 1781).=A0 So there is a pu=
blication by J. R. Forster in 1781, describing this penguin.=A0 <br>
<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888">
<br>Alan</font></span><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br><br><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 1:56 PM, Alan E. Davis <span =
dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:lngndvs@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">lngn=
dvs@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
For what it's worth (possibly nothing), from Wikipedia:<br><br><div sty=
le=3D"margin-left:40px">The application of <i>Gentoo</i> to the penguin is =
unclear, according to the <i><a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OED" t=
itle=3D"OED" target=3D"_blank">OED</a></i>, which reports that <i>Gentoo</i=
> was an Anglo-Indian term, used as early as 1638 to distinguish <a href=3D=
"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu" title=3D"Hindu" target=3D"_blank">Hind=
us</a> in India from Muslims, the English term originating in Portuguese <i=
>gentio</i> (compare "<a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentile"=
title=3D"Gentile" target=3D"_blank">gentile</a>"); in the twentieth c=
entury the term came to be regarded as <a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/w=
iki/Derogatory" title=3D"Derogatory" target=3D"_blank">derogatory</a>.<br>
<br></div>This needs to be followed up.=A0 One interesting publication woul=
d be<br><br><div style=3D"margin-left:40px"><pre>@article{calaby1999europea=
n,
title=3D{The European Discovery and Scientific Description of Australian =
Birds.},
author=3D{Calaby, JH},
journal=3D{Historical Records of Australian Science},
volume=3D{12},
number=3D{3},
pages=3D{313--329},
year=3D{1999},
publisher=3D{CSIRO}
}
<br><br></pre></div><pre>to which I do not have access. However, this inve=
stigation is not over. The scientific name of the Gentoo Penguin is <i>Pyg=
oscelis papua. It should not be difficult to find the original description?=
</i><span><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
<br>Alan Davis<br></font></span></pre><div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 9:50 AM, Nikos Chantziaras <span dir=3D"ltr">&l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:realnc@arcor.de" target=3D"_blank">realnc@arcor.de</a>&=
gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div><div>On 12/21/2011 04:59 PM, Joshua Murphy wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 7:32 AM, LinuxIsOne<<a href=3D"mailto:reallife@h=
mamail.com" target=3D"_blank">reallife@hmamail.<u></u>com</a>> =A0wrote:=
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Daniel Troeder<<a href=3D"mailto:daniel=
@admin-box.com" target=3D"_blank">daniel@admin-box.com</a>> =A0wrote:<br=
>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Also (ir)relevant: bug report concerning the mascot Larry the cow:<br>
<a href=3D"https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D27727" target=3D"_blan=
k">https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_<u></u>bug.cgi?id=3D27727</a><br>
</blockquote>
<br>
But your links shows untrusted connection in my browser!<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
That would likely be because <a href=3D"http://cacert.org" target=3D"_blank=
">cacert.org</a> isn't a "trusted' authority by<br>
default and that is the issuer for B.G.O., making the certificate<br>
throw up a red flag if you choose not to add <a href=3D"http://cacert.org" =
target=3D"_blank">cacert.org</a> to your<br>
trusted authorities.<br>
</blockquote>
<br></div></div>
What sucks is that you can't even get rid of the warnings even if you a=
ccept and add the cert to Firefox. =A0Every time you click on an attachment=
in a bug, you get presented with a warning dialog again, and again, and ag=
ain, and again, until you get mad and start shooting bunnies. =A0That's=
because the domain changes with attachments (for some reason, b.g.o. uses =
subdomains instead of URLs to link to attachments.)<br>
<br>
So it's either add <a href=3D"http://cacert.org" target=3D"_blank">cace=
rt.org</a> to your trusted authorities, or live in hell when browsing b.g.o=
. =A0IMO that's just stupid. =A0I want to trust just b.g.o, not every s=
ite out there that has a cacert certificate. =A0Stupid. =A0Just stupid.<br>
<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div><br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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