From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DDFB138202 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 03:10:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 112E021C06E; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 03:09:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qa0-f46.google.com (mail-qa0-f46.google.com [209.85.216.46]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C07FC21C09B for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 03:08:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qa0-f46.google.com with SMTP id c11so1589168qad.19 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 19:08:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=WPuJTMbxIMS8XrdLbnjoRuM4yp5r1lMcYFXOXpZKiMg=; b=W83a5X/j7IuF5VvR4/+0rdSfC4K71xMIKO2afleSlLdArvbQLRtbUeMOVy5Z1mYmmE 6KKj+tvgu/dhkd4Xl2HvJhkA6Ui5NWnP5T9WOp0xH/JVr7MjoSa06DYU7YnwQjzMNF1R o5HZzQrWT8NycsgKPC6sgDZMtEy23V6TD+fakznpDde8uSQqKgneYzgsBxnAf5Dxh41R TB9YKK2b30IeIFu6blYHPxsP1tGcW/DOr+kNd5RRlzQIoZzFqzR8V486R4jqehUls3rw Hmjaiy9O8uCA2bGroGs6bA/ceiChrmhcP4vwN5wP2KrKdYUwUwYBwb7SwExiZFSo98X2 if9Q== Received: by 10.49.1.36 with SMTP id 4mr28744829qej.46.1352862515865; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 19:08:35 -0800 (PST) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.49.75.74 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 19:07:55 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1352861498.10571.67.camel@troll> References: <50A2EF85.4040301@gmail.com> <1352861498.10571.67.camel@troll> From: Willie Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 19:07:55 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Unexpected Power Loss! To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b677420b027ac04ce6bd94a X-Archives-Salt: 045e2f23-4c0f-45d5-9dca-c98216dc1734 X-Archives-Hash: d598cc1f681eb1fff4d5ea16324fe03a --047d7b677420b027ac04ce6bd94a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I will try monitoring the temp tomorrow. It will take me rebuilding the kernel, I know that I left everything for monitoring hardware out. As for the thermal compound. That was all changed yesterday. On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 6:51 PM, Bill Kenworthy wrote: > There is a thermal safety setting in the kernel somewhere ... it used to > do this to me when a cpu heatsink came adrift ... but the cpu had to get > quite hot to trigger it (was on an Intel core2) so it was ok until it > tried to do real work ... instant off. > > Try monitoring the temperature. Also, cpu thermal compound/tape can > lose its effectiveness on older PC's as well as the usual dust puppies > blocking cooling etc. Also, depending on how it is setup, Linux might > be running just enough hotter than windows to trigger it. > > BillK > > > > On Tue, 2012-11-13 at 18:33 -0800, Willie wrote: > > I think you might be on to something. Here in Vegas it gets to be > > about 50 at night and I like to have my window open. That is when it > > turns off the most. I have been using this computer for years with > > Windows and Ubuntu Linux and this is the first time it has started to > > happen. Do you know of any setting in Gentoo that I would need to > > change for this? > > > > On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 5:10 PM, Dale wrote: > > Willie wrote: > > > > > Hey Everyone, > > > > > > > > > I have been dealing with this problem for awhile now. It > > > seems that whenever I am in Linux my computer will just turn > > > off. Not shutdown like I did "shutdown -r now". Just > > > completely off out of the blue at random times. I have been > > > reading the logs but there is nothing helpful at all. It is > > > never the same thing on the logs when it does just shutdown. > > > Sometime I can boot up and it will go off when it says > > > "Waiting for udev events to finish" or something like that. > > > > > > > > > I haven't done any major upgrades in awhile, there is really > > > nothing different. I installed Windows last night to see if > > > it is a hardware thing but nope it stays on. I also tried > > > reinstalling Gentoo on a couple of occasions on another Hard > > > Drive but it just shutdown while I was getting it done. > > > > > > > > > Any help is greatly appreciated. I really don't want to be > > > in Windows after I spent all that time customizing my XFCE4 > > > desktop. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Willie Matthews > > > matthews.willie@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > Do you have a setting somewhere that when a fan gets below a > > certain speed it shuts down thinking the fan has failed? I > > know on mine I have to turn that feature off, especially in > > the winter. Sometimes my fans only turn at a couple hundred > > rpms. The mobo sometimes thinks the fan has failed. It seems > > to vary by brand as to what it does when this happens but I > > suspect something in Linux not the BIOS itself. > > > > Since winders works, which is odd unto itself lol, then it has > > to be some setting in Linux. I wouldn't think it would be the > > kernel since it usually locks up instead of cutting off. Do > > you have lm-sensors installed? I think it has the ability to > > do this sort of thing. That would be IF this is causing the > > problem to begin with. ;-) > > > > I'm sure you will get lots of ideas on this one tho. There > > can be a lot of causes. > > > > Dale > > > > :-) :-) > > -- > > I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you > understood or how you interpreted my words! > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Willie Matthews > > matthews.willie@gmail.com > > > > -- Willie Matthews matthews.willie@gmail.com --047d7b677420b027ac04ce6bd94a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I will try monitoring the temp tomorrow. It will take me rebuilding th= e kernel, I know that I left everything for monitoring hardware out. As for= the thermal compound. That was all changed yesterday.

On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 6:51 PM, Bill Kenworthy <billk@iinet.net.au&g= t; wrote:
There is a thermal safety setting in the kernel somewhere ... it used to do this to me when a cpu heatsink came adrift ... but the cpu had to get quite hot to trigger it (was on an Intel core2) so it was ok until it
tried to do real work ... instant off.

Try monitoring the temperature. =A0Also, cpu thermal compound/tape can
lose its effectiveness on older PC's as well as the usual dust puppies<= br> blocking cooling etc. =A0Also, depending on how it is setup, Linux might be running just enough hotter than windows to trigger it.

BillK



On Tue, 2012-11-13 at 18:33 -0800, Willie wrote:
> I think you might be on to something. Here in Vegas it gets to be
> about 50 at night and I like to have my window open. That is when it > turns off the most. I have been using this computer for years with
> Windows and Ubuntu Linux and this is the first time it has started to<= br> > happen. Do you know of any setting in Gentoo that I would need to
> change for this?
>
> On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 5:10 PM, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Willie wrote:
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 > Hey Everyone,
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 >
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 >
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 > I have been dealing with this problem for awhile = now. It
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 > seems that whenever I am in Linux my computer wil= l just turn
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 > off. Not shutdown like I did "shutdown -r no= w". Just
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 > completely off out of the blue at random times. I= have been
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 > reading the logs but there is nothing helpful at = all. It is
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 > never the same thing on the logs when it does jus= t shutdown.
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 > Sometime I can boot up and it will go off when it= says
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 > "Waiting for udev events to finish" or = something like that.
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 >
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 >
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 > I haven't done any major upgrades in awhile, = there is really
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 > nothing different. I installed Windows last night= to see if
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 > it is a hardware thing but nope it stays on. I al= so tried
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 > reinstalling Gentoo on a couple of occasions on a= nother Hard
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 > Drive but it just shutdown while I was getting it= done.
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 >
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 >
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 > Any help is greatly appreciated. I really don'= ;t want to be
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 > in Windows after I spent all that time customizin= g my XFCE4
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 > desktop.
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 >
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 >
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 > --
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 >
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 > Willie Matthews
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 > matt= hews.willie@gmail.com
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 >
>
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Do you have a setting somewhere that when a fan gets b= elow a
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 certain speed it shuts down thinking the fan has faile= d? =A0I
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 know on mine I have to turn that feature off, especial= ly in
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 the winter. =A0Sometimes my fans only turn at a couple= hundred
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 rpms. =A0The mobo sometimes thinks the fan has failed.= =A0It seems
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 to vary by brand as to what it does when this happens = but I
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 suspect something in Linux not the BIOS itself.
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Since winders works, which is odd unto itself lol, the= n it has
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 to be some setting in Linux. =A0I wouldn't think i= t would be the
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 kernel since it usually locks up instead of cutting of= f. =A0Do
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 you have lm-sensors installed? =A0I think it has the a= bility to
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 do this sort of thing. =A0That would be IF this is cau= sing the
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 problem to begin with. =A0;-)
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 I'm sure you will get lots of ideas on this one th= o. =A0There
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 can be a lot of causes.
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Dale
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 :-) =A0:-)
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what= you understood or how you interpreted my words!
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Willie Matthews
> matthews.willie@gmail.com=






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