From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C079C138334 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2019 04:30:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E342BE0886; Tue, 9 Jul 2019 04:30:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qk1-x736.google.com (mail-qk1-x736.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::736]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7A256E0830 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2019 04:30:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qk1-x736.google.com with SMTP id d79so10777649qke.11 for ; Mon, 08 Jul 2019 21:30:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=sxpPz63/LXSMMBSs30+U/Mt7VjK/WOIdwKfXqZmrmbU=; b=qgUEj3YZxltVGVBMEBpFUZ6yyM1cNWMJP1fKK1Je6rvHPaJp+tH49ZpTm/Olpv6rfW OdZ8pMB3kIFJRkC6j3QUl0W+EtQAWi2tIoVOdX5EGREPtl0HMVrQR1Mikhnu30V8xH9I P0l0Q/AFcMDC7C824KbPQk9cWxbh+PbzbtuqB+34+iZPzZe5ZM44yUBIwhxzq5LetQuT jD9e2KD46ppgfdHaV2aChBQvGuYvprZ4Evp2Zry2Q3kIc+GHFcs5ghyZ1rlMmBcnHuxc TX4pQTMLYYMZPdEnOJbTq1oxvGZK3hwLDAvdG1VnSoqG2FqANdo1OF3SDXhy2dAxLFFT k8pw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=sxpPz63/LXSMMBSs30+U/Mt7VjK/WOIdwKfXqZmrmbU=; b=ry2/D1sfpPtjW8Gaja99z29UOLLvVKEhXVTSATvqTRavcPh/bPOarbMMVKSjftxC8c Ueg9ywmAs1xCb8oHdtSiD5FPaoIfaMF1nK7pGj/e18rPP7eiWPjjBHbE1J8JVx/X/WhA /tC1IemvtjhutXkj1H2LUs9iHDZNmKlUYyDJftN+r1qgcOBU9KAagKqSnsQpRkim5t1L QKE9DTcmdGhduh6tf0FNGsaUeZ7bm81j2hSDlYkb9P3ingP00fFbNdFifzTVh+cCXtxo EvSyXdcOovl7Bc1/52DjFYb+J5fojv1hQH7rOTrOPq6mKSGFIMKklYrQeHVe3DnqN3uI JkQg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWE+jAk0F9RAWt+yNWgLvaiS9XR5lx63ptzuCvyTb5VHduqzV/i 26auxdHtYxu/R1XB401pQwt1iFokVAkmho+FJIdNGA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwBHCF8sh5eG+zVddyo4OCEx8OwI+AKWlJQNEts/W5PC8lCztAXFunbcdfqjIOC7ZMMDgCdMxDI2MBb8S4Ydnw= X-Received: by 2002:a37:4cd2:: with SMTP id z201mr14789755qka.284.1562646634232; Mon, 08 Jul 2019 21:30:34 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Ian Bloss Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 00:30:22 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Human configurable boot loader, OR useful grub2 documentation To: Gentoo mailing list Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000008b00b3058d38055c" X-Archives-Salt: 64a48256-d442-486d-9679-db9a325c1cbe X-Archives-Hash: d47ebf9834b6e8a1675055ef7f3a00e5 --0000000000008b00b3058d38055c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Check out syslinux if grub is too obnoxious. I've found it much more straight forward than grub. On Fri, Jul 5, 2019, 2:05 AM wrote: > So, is there either a boot loader that a human can configure manually that > can handle LUKS partitions? No uefi, but GPT would be nice. The grub2 > "documentation" Reads like someone in the later stages of alzheimers' > trying to tell you how to get to the moon from scratch? The grub "legacy" > manual was at least usefull, the grub2 manual is incoherent and has no > logical structure or explanations in it. It's insane that a boot loader > takes 60 pages to document without actually explaning itself, barely useful > as a reference IF you new it anyway. > > Grub2 produces insanely huge configuration files, stuffed with > conditionals. It's obvious even the automatic tools don't know how to > configure it, It can't figure out how to boot redcore, on the same drive > though it thinks it can. It thinks you might want to try one version of > linux with the ram disk and kernel from another, which doesn't work very > well and WHY? > > any links to sane documentation or sane bootloaders greatly appreciated, > it'll be months before i can work on my own bootloader or extend one that > makes sense out side of a corporate server farm or randomly assorted > desktops that have to all work with the same config file (possibly because > grub2 is deciding how to work every time it loads). > > Yeah, I hate grub2. I"m very willing to learn gentoo, but it does make > some sense and there are articles that actually explain things online. I > can't find anything usefull about grub2 other than "DON'T MANUALLY EDIT > THIS FILE", if it's not human editable and understandable why even bother > to have it in human readable text? > > > "Would you like to see us rule again, my friend? All you have to do is > follow the worms." 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Check out syslinux if grub is too obnoxious. I'v= e found it much more straight forward than grub.

On Fri, Jul 5, 2019, 2:05 AM = <mad.scientist.a= t.large@tutanota.com> wrote:
So, is there either a boot loader that a human can configure manually that= can handle LUKS partitions?=C2=A0 No uefi, but GPT would be nice.=C2=A0 Th= e grub2 "documentation"=C2=A0 Reads like someone in the later sta= ges of alzheimers' trying to tell you how to get to the moon from scrat= ch?=C2=A0 The grub "legacy" manual was at least usefull, the grub= 2 manual is incoherent and has no logical structure or explanations in it.= =C2=A0 It's insane that a boot loader takes 60 pages to document withou= t actually explaning itself, barely useful as a reference IF you new it any= way.

Grub2 produces insanely huge configuration files, stuffed with conditionals= .=C2=A0 It's obvious even the automatic tools don't know how to con= figure it, It can't figure out how to boot redcore, on the same drive t= hough it thinks it can.=C2=A0 It thinks you might want to try one version o= f linux with the ram disk and kernel from another, which doesn't work v= ery well and WHY?

any links to sane documentation or=C2=A0 sane bootloaders greatly appreciat= ed, it'll be months before i can work on my own bootloader or extend on= e that makes sense out side of a corporate server farm or randomly assorted= desktops that have to all work with the same config file (possibly because= grub2 is deciding how to work every time it loads).

Yeah, I hate grub2.=C2=A0 I"m very willing to learn gentoo,=C2=A0 but = it does make some sense and there are articles that actually explain things= online.=C2=A0 I can't find anything usefull about grub2 other than &qu= ot;DON'T MANUALLY EDIT THIS FILE", if it's not human editable = and understandable why even bother to have it in human readable text?


"Would you like to see us rule again, my friend?=C2=A0=C2=A0 All you h= ave to do is follow the worms."=C2=A0 Pink Floyd, The Wall, Waiting fo= r the worms
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