From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 562261381F3 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 19:09:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 982A2E0AF1; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 19:09:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-lb0-f180.google.com (mail-lb0-f180.google.com [209.85.217.180]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6A2B6E0AD3 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 19:09:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lb0-f180.google.com with SMTP id a16so861521lbj.25 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 12:09:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=v/73K2EAfjcsiMLNQJHy/z5R+Op+wEKWAn0yxqjAea8=; b=vdM61YuiDQttOBCou3aDiOeC812oo1p2YfecPxQdh3RbNlZaIi9bybpuTyrOirwLhg yvYikTynCehmAn5Wl33b4/7b1ZwZH3eYhQwFBCZGZY1E+eqdvZkKrWE5TaTYkVra2Ecz mzE8WoTZwuqMnUNDwlpTjkiymmQZPdKRzP4DY1u70hhtvqzBY6e+m6EY95i8GZEFw+JA qy/zZPCzQiuMKI7VHtg2ubPxsSOryPr7bQovc+OssTU/Hssurf4LG9m8TjpvdfV0MNhJ 0ERQgBtF5qVmHvJ9WxlcFNQoIFXXay2OEK0yniwf83zMgPvv9lIzYelfCnibgSFa2DUO fi5Q== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.121.73 with SMTP id li9mr31978160lab.42.1375297770656; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 12:09:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.96.2 with HTTP; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 12:09:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <6D922E7E-27A8-4D2B-9ADE-053755337C1C@stellar.eclipse.co.uk> References: <57299332.XkTIeZ2QOq@melforce> <3017.1375206780@ccs.covici.com> <6349.1375221843@ccs.covici.com> <51F8F63E.9020705@libertytrek.org> <20130731132227.5e582ee7@digimed.co.uk> <51F9034E.7040204@libertytrek.org> <51F92CC0.2060504@libertytrek.org> <51F9480E.3080406@gmail.com> <6D922E7E-27A8-4D2B-9ADE-053755337C1C@stellar.eclipse.co.uk> Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 14:09:30 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-systemd-only deprecation From: =?UTF-8?B?Q2FuZWsgUGVsw6FleiBWYWxkw6lz?= To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: cb0f8602-b157-48e2-8ef0-b8b6e6a2f630 X-Archives-Hash: 10a68b33f14ab75dc9cf5f6adffc5ee7 On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Stroller wrote: > > On 31 July 2013, at 19:09, Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s wrote: > >> On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 12:56 PM, Stroller >> wrote: >>> >>> On 31 July 2013, at 18:23, Alan McKinnon wrote: >>>> ... >>>> Whinging about systemd binaries being installed is valid, but whinging >>>> about some data files is not. Anyone who does is letting their OCD sho= w >>>> in ways they really should be keeping private. >>> >>> Hmmmn, it's a bit freaking weird - if I'm understanding correctly some = of the statements made here about systemd - that there will be files instal= led to /etc/init.d/ that don't actually do anything. >> >> If you use systemd, all the files installed in /etc/init.d (except >> functions.sh) don't actually do nothing. > > Right, which is a bit freakin' odd, because on most every previous distro= and other *nix system, that's where the system administrator goes to start= and stop services. > > If they're not used, in this case, I don't think they should be installed= . > > /etc/init.d is wholly different from /usr/share/package-name/examples > > There are many other directories on the system where it's no problem to h= ave some idle, unused, "wasted" files, but /etc/init.d has long been an imp= ortant directory. That was one of the reasons I started the gentoo-systemd-only overlay; if you used systemd, and tried to run "/etc/init.d/whatever start", the results would vary from "annoying" to "catastrophic". Nowadays you get the following warning: * You are attempting to run an openrc service on a * system which openrc did not boot. * You may be inside a chroot or you may have used * another initialization system to boot this system. * In this situation, you will get unpredictable results! * If you really want to do this, issue the following command: * touch /run/openrc/softlevel So it's pretty harmless. I believe the same applies for the files in /etc/init.d (or /usr/lib/systemd/system) that for the files in /etc/cron.daily, or /etc/bash_completion.d. They should be installed unconditionally. If you don't like it, INSTALL_MASK'd them. Regards. --=20 Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingenier=C3=ADa de la Computaci=C3=B3n Universidad Nacional Aut=C3=B3noma de M=C3=A9xico