From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1S7Zc4-0001jX-G8 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 21:50:36 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id ECE22E096A; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 21:50:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yw0-f53.google.com (mail-yw0-f53.google.com [209.85.213.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B97BE07B5 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 21:49:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yhjj72 with SMTP id j72so1363483yhj.40 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 14:49:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=O/Xcd2xFVc9SUJz3WCmmAqGmra1tSGbjJBGyUm1suUc=; b=QDNPDVGDgsK7YDsyW/V18lVvZRE5Ayash9185AVu1tiEfI/7XRmz1CiSK+5qqKJyg0 ZX+L65nZ1VlFPvrNFqc5Q8CgrGek83rf31voFGmPbyFciA1mv37bE7mnRE/CuGAaw4e+ FKQz5uU6h4/ja4iXkpWZtqxdJQWd8AiZjZ2Q9djgC76Ra65CbnkW6XEc/bHIltwIoqs6 Gxtw5rfaH2Y8xniN5j63xzSlIMnY3hjXyb7GEFCfiJfExChpbLRm7DEEnJmm05IqhT/s SoTSBm3GsHmPtYOv11Fs3ThpNLwqXeCaV6nwXLUcuERd2L70l6EKrpOu/M9O+CGkjZIQ 8lbQ== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.125.195 with SMTP id ms3mr426094pbb.62.1331675365547; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 14:49:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.197.41 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 14:49:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <2037392466.632130.1331674505331.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.com> References: <20111115062115.GA3262@waltdnes.org> <20111121104724.GC7461@waltdnes.org> <20111201194544.GD4455@waltdnes.org> <20120217234045.GA25390@waltdnes.org> <20120311090912.GA23850@waltdnes.org> <20120312092432.GA2959@acm.acm> <20120313073306.GC23544@waltdnes.org> <20120313130534.GB3457@acm.acm> <20120313190052.GA2430@waltdnes.org> <20120313194727.GB2536@acm.acm> <1652548889.629847.1331672072496.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.com> <2037392466.632130.1331674505331.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.com> Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 15:49:25 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 5 - failure :-( From: =?UTF-8?B?Q2FuZWsgUGVsw6FleiBWYWxkw6lz?= To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 1d3e0376-5069-4ce2-bb53-7ecdd1604893 X-Archives-Hash: 62cae49b9d71089d0867c9e3680407b0 On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Bruce Hill, Jr. wrote: > > > > On March 13, 2012 at 5:22 PM "Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s" > wrote: > >> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Bruce Hill, Jr. >> wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > On March 13, 2012 at 4:27 PM "Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s" >> > wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> "Fringe" programs will not require udev, or it will be optional; but >> >> the moment a "fringe" program reaches critical mass to become >> >> "maistream", the probability of it needing udev (directly or >> >> indirectly) will increase. >> >> >> >> I'm willing to bet a beer on that prediction. >> >> >> >> Regards. >> >> -- >> >> Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s >> > >> > >> > >> > It _sounds_ like your definition of a "fringe" program is one that doe= s > not >> > need udev; but when it becomes "mainstream" it will need udev. If not, > you >> > write us the definition of a "fringe" program and a "mainstream" > program. >> > >> > Excuse me, but that's just incredibly _arrogant_! >> >> Relax man. That's why "fringe" is written QUOTE fringe UNQUOTE, and >> "mainstream" is written QUOTE mainstream UNQUOTE. If it makes you >> happy, replace "fringe" with "GNOME/KDE/XFCE/lvm2-not-related" and >> "mainstream" with "GNOME/KDE/XFCE/lvm2-related". That's using the very >> same definition that Walter (the guy behind the mdev-instead-of-udev >> effort) used just three mails below (or above, depending on your email >> client). >> >> Please chill, no need to get all worked out. >> >> And I maintain my prediction. >> >> Regards. >> -- >> Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s > > > So, what qualifies for "the moment a "fringe" program reaches critical ma= ss > to become "maistream", the probability of it needing udev (directly or > indirectly) will increase." Just what I was saying: I said (right there) "the probability of it needing udev (directly or indirectly) will increase." I did not say it would *need* udev for sure; just that the probability of it needing udev would increase. I'm not spreading FUD; I'm just stating my opinion. And I stick to it; wanna bet that beer? Regards. --=20 Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingenier=C3=ADa de la Computaci=C3=B3n Universidad Nacional Aut=C3=B3noma de M=C3=A9xico