From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1QvwKF-0006oq-G2 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 19:07:51 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9CF3021C283; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 19:07:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ww0-f53.google.com (mail-ww0-f53.google.com [74.125.82.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B05421C283 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 19:06:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwf25 with SMTP id 25so436225wwf.10 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 12:06:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=CRieElQiL35bqcavTTBb4YyvMyriJd6/P8dm/MsanyI=; b=Vdq3SizB0cVNSG3nql0v/4OZ+8lZnF+Aj4grJm9FY04Fu1tcUA1fY9cZxH35yTHa+C i9lk/vh6c3QqM2ZZGYf76A/+7GKjBpxjQkYwgTm+da6JoNd/Pw4g6PVOIIFwmMrJ3G6u IBYbgRe1NdtHp1k5RKPSJOT5EikpCiQqhmddA= Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.24.30 with SMTP id w30mr997737wew.68.1314126385492; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 12:06:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.30.193 with HTTP; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 12:06:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <3706961.X6WvuNeq9m@nazgul> References: <4E4C2CC4.6080604@xunil.at> <2269917.TBy71Gn5NP@eve> <0D8B951A-06D1-43B8-BD6D-46E7CB059746@stellar.eclipse.co.uk> <3706961.X6WvuNeq9m@nazgul> Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 15:06:25 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] systemd From: =?UTF-8?B?Q2FuZWsgUGVsw6FleiBWYWxkw6lz?= To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: d1c534e7e10e77c95d4403f08923bbd1 On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Alan McKinnon wr= ote: > On Tue 23 August 2011 18:17:17 Stroller did opine thusly: >> On 23 August 2011, at 07:27, Joost Roeleveld wrote: >> > ... >> > >> >> * found this blog-entry against systemd: >> >> >> >> http://monolight.cc/2011/05/the-systemd-fallacy/ >> >> >> >> I agree, it might be more useful on desktops ... so far I am >> >> still exploring and learning to get to the point to make a >> >> decision where and if to use. >> > >> > I think it is more useful on desktops and laptops, which get >> > rebooted regularly. On a server that tends to run for months >> > without a reboot, a fast init-system is important. >> > >> > And I don't really see the point of D-BUS on a server either. >> > All the services that need to talk to each other already have >> > working communication paths. >> Reading that blog entry I found discouraging the idea that dbus >> might be required on my servers in the future, if systemd becomes >> popular with distros. > > What's your objection to dbus? It gives you a standard message bus, is > small, light, consumes minimal resources and provides a nice standard > way to do IPC. Probably easier than reinventing the wheel with named > pipes and other bits over and over. > > Now if it had similarities to say hal, I would instantly understand. > But dbus is good and useful in all the ways that hal isn't. Wasn't. HAL is dead. From http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/hal "HAL is in maintenance mode - no new features are added. All future development focuses on udisks, upower and other parts of the stack. See Software/DeviceKit for more information." HAL was an experiment, and it failed. At some point, dbus was an experiment, and I think it succeeded. Most technologies (KDE, GNOME, pulseaudio, udev, devfs, ALSA, systemd, upstart) start as experiments. Some fail, some succeed, and some are replaced by even newer experiments. It's the only way new and interesting stuff gets created. Regards. --=20 Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingenier=C3=ADa de la Computaci=C3=B3n Universidad Nacional Aut=C3=B3noma de M=C3=A9xico