From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FDB5138BF3 for ; Sun, 16 Feb 2014 20:28:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 35589E0839; Sun, 16 Feb 2014 20:28:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-lb0-f182.google.com (mail-lb0-f182.google.com [209.85.217.182]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D1DE3E0C18 for ; Sun, 16 Feb 2014 20:27:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lb0-f182.google.com with SMTP id w7so10534847lbi.41 for ; Sun, 16 Feb 2014 12:27:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=TI7Ortn0wZWnaoGKc4OobkPAmjJ1C+nraxYFRKyY8XE=; b=XspJb8bLrU+3IIs8hOzwFirigRWM+wxkNj4XYUz8lWt5jCnaIl7FtCY1XbtFtwOsgU K95Jg2F1PAqnx/Z9FPWUBD/fbBrAoXlaC4F1njImnjaIt62gECV+9x8P//DQ8Nv+nzfz uhGmg3FcrPc405yp6iwZxUlXeG5TrurA1go3nkLsGo98eePp/POgFKEPYYSLwJ6eJPVq AjOHglC6dNOIPbE9bgRUuvIkE3hbKegG4RagEbUAY8j0TNfSY2sYNLFm62HVF60TV6Z6 ANIG5gjJiL0zRgyI1KcyZT0lIMNOb85AaTd5u4lsiihVuUaJyFMMXpMIHt2jrLQL+YWw PK8w== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.17.65 with SMTP id m1mr2863594lbd.46.1392582478252; Sun, 16 Feb 2014 12:27:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.170.67 with HTTP; Sun, 16 Feb 2014 12:27:58 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <201402161926.17796.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> References: <52FF84CE.2050301@libertytrek.org> <53010ADB.2070708@yandex.ru> <201402161926.17796.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 14:27:58 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie From: =?UTF-8?B?Q2FuZWsgUGVsw6FleiBWYWxkw6lz?= To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: decbbc8b-3910-4dc9-9aac-e23b972f5750 X-Archives-Hash: e997fdb2c088856cd467745099a76312 On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 1:26 PM, Mick wrote: [snip] > You may have lost it in the link that Volker posted (thanks Volker), but = this > comment from HaakonKL probably sums it up: > > "... I will give Upstart this though: Should something better come along,= you > could replace upstart. I guess this holds true for OpenRC as well. > > You can't say that about systemd." I had read that blog entry before. Is full of errors, like believing that everything that systemd does is inside PID 1. There is actually little code inside PID 1; most of systemd functionality comes from separated binaries. You know, do one thing, do it right? >From [1]: "If you build systemd with all configuration options enabled you will build 69 individual binaries. These binaries all serve different tasks, and are neatly separated for a number of reasons." > Can you surgically remove systemd in the future without reverse engineeri= ng > half of what the LSB would look at the time, or will its developers ensur= e > that this is a one time choice only? You guys talk about software like if it was a big bad black magical box with inexplicable powers. If someone is willing and able, *everything* can be "surgically remove[d]". We got rid of devfs, remember? We got rid of OSS (thank the FSM for ALSA). We got rid of HAL (yuck!). GNOME got rid of bonobo, and ESD. KDE got rid of aRts (and who knows what more). You can get rid of *everything*, if so you desire. But *someone* needs to write/patch the code. Regards. [1] http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the-biggest-myths.html --=20 Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingenier=C3=ADa de la Computaci=C3=B3n Universidad Nacional Aut=C3=B3noma de M=C3=A9xico