Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Linus Torvalds on systemd

["Canek Peláez Valdés" <caneko@gmail.com>]

On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 3:43 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann
<volkerarmin@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Am 17.09.2014 um 21:52 schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés:
>> On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann
>> <volkerarmin@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>> Am 17.09.2014 um 21:02 schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés:
>>>> On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 1:36 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann
>>>> <volkerarmin@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>> [snip]
>>>>> Now you use this to advertise for systemd?
>>>>>
>>>>> Systemd fanbois are becoming more and more desperate.
>>>> So, systemd is used (or it has been announced that is going to be
>>>> used) by default in all the major distributions, is available and
>>>> working great in Gentoo, and many Gentoo users and developers use it
>>>> happily.
>>>>
>>>> So, yeah, we are *really* desperate, obviously.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the laugh.
>>>>
>>>> Regards.
>>> you will stop laughing when redhat&poettering abandon systemd because it
>>> is 'fundamentally broken' and must be replaced with something else.
>>>
>>> Probably as soon as everybody got used to it.
>>>
>>> And if I guess correctly, pulseaudio will be the driving force behind
>>> it. Because history loves repetition.
>> Sure Volker, whatever you say. I'm willing to bet the future stability
>> of my desktop and server machines that your doomsday-scenario will not
>> happen. Actually, I'm already betting on it.
>>
>> What are you willing to bet?
>>
>> Again, thanks for the laughs. You are a funny guy.
>>
>> Regards.
>
> I am not betting anything.

I figured it.

> But I want you to think about something:
>
> devfs was the best thing since sliced bread.
> As soon as everybody used it, it was broken and replaced.
>
> hal was the best thing since sliced bread.
> As soon as everybody used it, it was broken and abandoned.
>
> *kit?
> The same.

Yeah. So it happened with XFree86, aRts, esd, gnome-vfs, DCOP,
sendmail, and it will happen again with dbus (I'm willing to bet it
will be replaced, at least in Linux, with kdbus). And, BTW, it's
happening with SysV being replaced in Linux with systemd.

It happens all the time. It's a good thing. And it happened for *VERY*
different reasons in each case. Also, the transition has been
sometimes somewhat difficult (HAL comes to mind), but most of the
times really easy: we used devfs when I switched to Gentoo more than
10 years ago, and I don't remember being difficult the switch to udev.
XFree86 => X.org was also basically trivial.

Of course systemd can be replaced; if something cooler gets written,
we'll switch to it. But given the team behind systemd, and the design
it has, it's gonna be very difficult.

Using Linus words, you are making excuses. You can compare systemd to
HAL, but doing so only shows that you don't know the code, the design,
and the history behind both projects.

Regards.
-- 
Canek Peláez Valdés
Profesor de asignatura, Facultad de Ciencias
Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México