From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1RqSdb-0002k0-5h for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 16:57:27 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 877C9E08FC; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 16:57:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pz0-f53.google.com (mail-pz0-f53.google.com [209.85.210.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 987F7E08AB for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 16:55:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by dadv6 with SMTP id v6so858910dad.40 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 08:55:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=e5zPHUlzEM0kV2gOmY0VaFeT7bNO44er2nIRlnmT/a0=; b=hnT482lQ0ltJfODt0N77xBUkMi7XChw5u6T+qEreHmpDcO5xloZS9LRxoIaGv0aIlB ZtQ1E4TGNMDjEvEPzhlwi4IobuEq3C+0tiW/A8D5p58Gdjaa4tkDNkVV4io9qS0FSvp4 4rteCK3TY+AtXPqge0Srtm5LnnINlxuFHAXss= Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.189.65 with SMTP id gg1mr6445487pbc.66.1327596952884; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 08:55:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.2.7 with HTTP; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 08:55:52 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20120126010826.GA9091@waltdnes.org> References: <2624.1327439667@ccs.covici.com> <18451.1327474321@ccs.covici.com> <20120125162811.5f93c41c@khamul.example.con> <20120126010826.GA9091@waltdnes.org> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 10:55:52 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gnome-control-center any way to configure without pulseaudio? From: =?UTF-8?B?Q2FuZWsgUGVsw6FleiBWYWxkw6lz?= To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: ab6864c5-b379-4f27-912f-a64db947e0e2 X-Archives-Hash: 6cc6e58a5b310569b8b7dff01aeb58a0 On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 7:08 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: > =C2=A0An answer from a different Walter ... > >> I also don't use pulse - plain ALSA is good enough for me - but looking >> over the design goals for pulseaudio I see a decent attempt to deal >> with audio properly for the future. These days we have computers and >> devices that can interact with many other things in weird and >> wonderful ways and software needs to deal with that. > > [...deletia...] > >> I just curious why you think that it's not useful to the ordinary >> user in a generic wide way. > > =C2=A0I'll throw the question back to you. =C2=A0What specific benefits d= o you > see? =C2=A0Not just generalities, but real life benfits, please. Bluetooth headset,configured with two or three clicks of a mouse. And then reroute the sound of Skype (or whatever app) to the headset while nice background music still plays on the speakers. >=C2=A0Sound > daemons in general seem to be solutions in search of a problem. =C2=A0And= if > they couldn't find any problems to solve, they'd make up some new ones > of their own. =C2=A0I remember the first I heard of pulseaudio was all th= e > weeping and moaning of people on this forum and the GTALUG (Toronto area > linux mailing list) trying to get sound working again after installing > pulseaudio. Have you tried PulseAudio lately? I haven't heard complains in a long time. > =C2=A0Remember arts and esd? =C2=A0They went the way of HAL. Yeah, because they sucked. Pulse doesn't (haven't in a long time; almost all the complains were made years ago). The architecture of esd and aRts was wrong from the beginning; not necessarily the fault of the devs, they were the first tries at a sound daemon. Pulse (which was PolypAudio before) learn from those mistakes and then it had its own set of evolving pains (that's when a lot of people, specially using distributions packaging before time, complained about it). HAL was different; it was to please the "lets be portable" crowd. IMHO, it was doomed from the beginning. > =C2=A0Nuff said. =C2=A0The > thing to remember is that humans cannot multitask audio very well. =C2=A0= Try > listening to 2 radio stations at once, and see what I mean. Well, I talk with Skype and listen to background music all the time (see above). And kids these days seem to be able to handle more data streams at the same time; just some days ago I saw a 15yo cousin of mine chatting on Skype while she heard background music *and* watched and listened to a music video on YouTube. Maybe this shiny new stuff is not for the old guys like us. But I certainly like it; I love my blueetooth headset, and it "just works" with PulseAudio and Bluez (and GNOME on top of them). Regards. --=20 Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingenier=C3=ADa de la Computaci=C3=B3n Universidad Nacional Aut=C3=B3noma de M=C3=A9xico