From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B25B6138E20 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2014 21:38:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7B878E0BBA; Thu, 20 Feb 2014 21:38:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-la0-f67.google.com (mail-la0-f67.google.com [209.85.215.67]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 34818E0B45 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2014 21:38:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f67.google.com with SMTP id pv20so549667lab.10 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2014 13:38:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=VZU/nehD+avmjzZA6lPM8nWeVwdEatcybkZ3nUz2YnI=; b=x8AD+zL652p86hes6nt89g73l9EftMAN7HUOEPUfZtC5Acz0ogr41x6Re8j0TJhmb+ mJ4GQQCBv4gXLX4dRfZE9cAedkUvWQ9VETC2+joowB7dqp8EU1iLucvFSI0jcMWD9aXD xcBYKxdT6kgS+6kXBeEoOJpV9fZ8/8qiom1EnkczUlL0U6VwiBBsLYYJdEBO9E8bIO9t Ft0YSJWLubQt5JEgUNobybpVxSkzlqLgxajgI6ISIjmDS/9VTlqRKd32iCSLZKpgGhIW BvpOaQnd0Ay6zm5ywHhCURhut045xJKPl9upiTU3IkaEEUbvTM+F/bMGp8fwI0eIfZ+j 6RLw== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.135.233 with SMTP id pv9mr2165635lbb.69.1392932326149; Thu, 20 Feb 2014 13:38:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.170.67 with HTTP; Thu, 20 Feb 2014 13:38:46 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <53067228.3090606@libertytrek.org> References: <52FF84CE.2050301@libertytrek.org> <20140217215255.5766cb026df2f0b8002f8702@gmail.com> <5302c048.462f0e0a.3d3e.5888@mx.google.com> <20140218210633.d25f4bb88b3891f7c0ed11c6@gmail.com> <20140218220712.9ec8d2529ef49d743b3bc826@gmail.com> <5304576E.4000704@sporkbox.us> <5304A5DE.4050905@libertytrek.org> <5305FACC.8080705@libertytrek.org> <530646EA.4020300@libertytrek.org> <5306603C.1040602@libertytrek.org> <53067228.3090606@libertytrek.org> Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 15:38:46 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie From: =?UTF-8?B?Q2FuZWsgUGVsw6FleiBWYWxkw6lz?= To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: abfa1f2b-4cfb-4bba-b69d-89b771f68ca7 X-Archives-Hash: a2f80e39a8f5772ce0f8cf4f3e77e5a4 On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Tanstaafl wrot= e: > On 2014-02-20 4:04 PM, Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s w= rote: >>> >>> No, actually, I think whatever is defined as the current default should >>> dictate which group should be required to do the work. > > >> I think this is where we think differently (regarding this particular >> point). The work must be done by *whomever* wants to do the job. So if >> the systemd people want to do a profile that's fine (and this already >> happened); but if they don't want to, nobody can force them to do it >> (this is academic right now, since they already did the [pretty trivial] >> work). >> >> If the systemd people did not wanted to do the job, then, since you >> can't force them, the people *not* wanting systemd would be the ones >> required to do it. And that makes absolutely no sense. > > > I think we agree, but you keep saying we don't... ;) > > The difference is, since OpenRC is the default, all of the existing profi= les > are, by definition, OpenRC based profiles. So, people who don't want syst= emd > simply have to do... nothing! OK, I see your point. > As I said before, it is people who want systemd who currently have to 'do > something', and that is as it should be, unless/until the default of Open= RC > is changed to systemd. Agreed. Regards. --=20 Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingenier=C3=ADa de la Computaci=C3=B3n Universidad Nacional Aut=C3=B3noma de M=C3=A9xico