From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970
Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org)
by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60)
(envelope-from <gentoo-user+bounces-129762-garchives=archives.gentoo.org@lists.gentoo.org>)
id 1REymD-0004pb-So
for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 15 Oct 2011 07:35:26 +0000
Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1])
by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 49BA321C0C1;
Sat, 15 Oct 2011 07:35:12 +0000 (UTC)
Received: from mail-ww0-f41.google.com (mail-ww0-f41.google.com [74.125.82.41])
by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7C1021C024
for <gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>; Sat, 15 Oct 2011 07:34:12 +0000 (UTC)
Received: by wwe32 with SMTP id 32so194743wwe.4
for <gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>; Sat, 15 Oct 2011 00:34:12 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
d=gmail.com; s=gamma;
h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to
:content-type:content-transfer-encoding;
bh=zNqv4+Jgku8SERJdu9Uf/5hkG3t5SLHlIVMn3SQ6EK8=;
b=H6TLefW2qIDjO0WERWtgCNLGuV2/pN01HjgAxIgPrp9OSd/3KimgVScl6Yoj/Zr5O/
zGh8+pFZxKK3QnfTxtsGkgiw6gC0fIlo5vNhZzwndTPogaL+pWst50eVrUg7zuW9ukiE
M21AG0B+gG1EldIT1tumPWayLkKWoLRAOfCwI=
Precedence: bulk
List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>
List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-user+help@lists.gentoo.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org>
List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+subscribe@lists.gentoo.org>
List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-user.gentoo.org>
X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
MIME-Version: 1.0
Received: by 10.216.134.1 with SMTP id r1mr927607wei.109.1318664050116; Sat,
15 Oct 2011 00:34:10 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by 10.216.234.130 with HTTP; Sat, 15 Oct 2011 00:34:10 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <4E992E82.5010103@gmail.com>
References: <tencent_37F5F8956D61083C1D2D5307@qq.com>
<CA+czFiCjniDmnt3mRs-ctp4tb6VZm6=TmexH6j1tLgQhO5ZPpA@mail.gmail.com>
<4E98601C.3030607@gmail.com>
<20111014224110.7acaf5b3@digimed.co.uk>
<4E98BBE4.6040306@gmail.com>
<CAA2qdGW6xn9c=O4uJZqLPwZE0V72FuJbSAHh2HZHm+MtMuVrkA@mail.gmail.com>
<4E992E82.5010103@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 00:34:10 -0700
Message-ID: <CADPrc83X8ewGevW6-1zzowC01=jHfq_zZ3LSp0LAphyp4gzQNg@mail.gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Apologize to everyone for my nonprofessional
From: =?UTF-8?B?Q2FuZWsgUGVsw6FleiBWYWxkw6lz?= <caneko@gmail.com>
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Archives-Salt:
X-Archives-Hash: 075e263d855d283e77466e78f71c43f7
On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 11:56 PM, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
> Pandu Poluan wrote:
>
> On Oct 15, 2011 5:49 AM, "Dale" <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Neil Bothwick wrote:
>>>
>>> On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 11:15:24 -0500, Dale wrote:
>>>
>>>> A'right now. =C2=A0I'm going to start on hal and /usr being on / again=
. =C2=A0:-P
>>>
>>> Jeez, 43 years on and you're still going on about it...
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Dang, I was only a year old when hal came out? =C2=A0That just doubled m=
y age.
>> =C2=A0It's closer to what I feel like tho.
>>
>> I'm still not happy with /usr being required tho. =C2=A0That is still st=
anding
>> on a bad nerve. =C2=A0Don't worry tho, I got plenty of those bad nerves.=
=C2=A0:-P
>>
>
> Do you know that there's a plan to move /var/run to / also? ;-)
>
> Rgds,
>
>
> Now someone on here swears up and down that /var isn't going to be requir=
ed
> on /.
/var !=3D /var/run
/var !=3D /var/lock
/var/run is going in /run, but /var/run (by definition) only contains
things like PID files and runtime sockets. In the same vein, /var/lock
also is going into /run/lock. I have acknowledged this from the very
beginning, and I have been pointing out that implying that because
those two (really small and bounded) directories of /var are going
into /run and /run/lock, it doesn't mean that the whole /var will go
into /. That is disinformation.
Nobody has even proposed that /var should go into the same partition
as /. *Nobody*, and the simplest proof of that is that nobody has
produced a single proof to the contrary. Not a single email, blog
post, or wiki entry from any system developer even mentions the
possibility of requiring /var to be in the same partition as /.
Whoever says that /var will be required to be on the same partition as
/ is either wildly speculating, or spreading FUD.
> I'm telling ya'll, /home is coming.
That is just ridiculous.
>=C2=A0 We are going to end up where we
> can only have one drive in our Linux boxes for the OS and its relatives.
And so is this: more FUD.
> That or we will ALL have to start using the pesky init* thingy.
More FUD: the current proposal (from Zac, the principal coder of
portage, and someone who actually wrotes code and know what he is
talking about) is this:
http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/msg_20749880f5bc5feda141488498729fe8.=
xml
It basically removes the need for a "pesky init* thingy", although for
the life of me I cannot understand why someone will not see the
technical advantages of actually using an initramfs.
> I got 7 acres of land here, complete with trees.=C2=A0 If someone can fin=
d the
> dev that started this mess, I can find some rope.=C2=A0 Just saying.=C2=
=A0 ;-)=C2=A0 Oh, I
> live half a mile from the river too.=C2=A0 Makes for a good dump site.=C2=
=A0 lol
>
> I noticed the other day that when LVM tries to start, it fails.=C2=A0 I h=
ave /var
> on a separate partition here.=C2=A0 It was complaining about something on=
/var
> missing.=C2=A0 So, you may be late in reporting this.=C2=A0 I think it is=
already
> needed for LVM if /usr or /var is on a separate partition.
Again, get the facts right. If you use LVM you will need to use an
initramfs. If you only use a separated /usr you will be able to use
Zac's proposal.
In no case whatsoever you will be required to have /var on the same
partition as /. Nobody has ever proposed that. /run and /run/lock are
not /var.
Regards.
--=20
Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s
Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingenier=C3=ADa de la Computaci=C3=B3n
Universidad Nacional Aut=C3=B3noma de M=C3=A9xico