From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from <gentoo-user+bounces-127828-garchives=archives.gentoo.org@lists.gentoo.org>) id 1R1fy5-0001pp-9P for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 08 Sep 2011 14:52:49 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0852221C101; Thu, 8 Sep 2011 14:52:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ww0-f41.google.com (mail-ww0-f41.google.com [74.125.82.41]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCC4A21C0A6 for <gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>; Thu, 8 Sep 2011 14:51:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwi18 with SMTP id 18so687658wwi.4 for <gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>; Thu, 08 Sep 2011 07:51:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=436ccmNKpe33xlULKlwl+sDnJzwlqNZRRYY2jLSwMxI=; b=DD8bgMOycdgBx6z1ZdenOUP/tHY0xV8qPoKmWT3tGu2tcchg2MNXCjGcjTmjnSg/bb /sxGleTzWuUYv2clmLgna2jm56MtSmLvgYv7eek5TpCQCw9A7ylpEa9+QcwJrtwLYbar /vhqSDReFq8+qenhE5dkSFim8tAOc+HrrtW6A= Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-user+help@lists.gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+subscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-user.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.24.30 with SMTP id w30mr812959wew.68.1315493491896; Thu, 08 Sep 2011 07:51:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.39.140 with HTTP; Thu, 8 Sep 2011 07:51:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4E68390A.9090106@gmail.com> References: <201108191109.34984.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> <20110907050952.GA2588@linux1> <4E66FFFA.2020600@gmail.com> <201109071923.39954.Dan.Johansson@dmj.nu> <CADPrc80TZkHi3d0szTHgSEG25gENLxMEOcNM5nB6SwBa8k2_xA@mail.gmail.com> <20110907235457.691be720@zaphod.digimed.co.uk> <CADPrc81XBFXQu203z1HbiPUv9gNASprWrRHu+YkakvO=PVDaLA@mail.gmail.com> <20110908005500.58ef10fa@zaphod.digimed.co.uk> <CADPrc83k2zzO6C97M+gXU1tRn6DXstz7B0tWvsrdX0iJmkhP7g@mail.gmail.com> <4E68390A.9090106@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 10:51:29 -0400 Message-ID: <CADPrc83SoFf=KRK9hZp=n0hkHx6+AcWfNerWq5=Ngmwf87nfWQ@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot From: =?UTF-8?B?Q2FuZWsgUGVsw6FleiBWYWxkw6lz?= <caneko@gmail.com> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: 4969cdfd4105a3057ee4858a5e2c2ed4 On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 11:39 PM, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote: > Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s wrote: >> >> Then don't update. Wanna keep up with upstream? Then accept that sometim= es >> you will need to change your setup, and change how you do stuff. Regards= . > > This is so like something I have told folks about windoze. =C2=A0Awesome = ! =C2=A0To > think I stayed away from windoze because of the freedom Linux gives a use= r > just to find out now, its not as different as I thought. =C2=A0:-( But the freedom is still there. The freedom to either keep your system as it is (don't upgrade), or to modify the source code to suit your own needs. Just don't expect from upstream to maintain code for each and every possible configuration. It gets really complex really really really fast. Upstream (either Gentoo, or the kernel, or udev, or all of them) will decide to support only a subset of all possible configurations and it will mark them as supported. Don't aprove of that? Then maintain it yourself (which you have the freedom to do), or keep up with the change. Freedom doesn't equals to "give me everything I want, and the way I want it". The freedom we have is "here is this set of programs, and we support this set of configurations; if you don't like it, here is also the source code". Which is light years better than in Windows or MacOS X. > Yeppie !! Yipi indeed. Regards. --=20 Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingenier=C3=ADa de la Computaci=C3=B3n Universidad Nacional Aut=C3=B3noma de M=C3=A9xico