From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1RBwWJ-0004Ka-64 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 06 Oct 2011 22:34:27 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 586F021C106; Thu, 6 Oct 2011 22:34:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ww0-f53.google.com (mail-ww0-f53.google.com [74.125.82.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3808321C064 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2011 22:33:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwg14 with SMTP id 14so4410545wwg.10 for ; Thu, 06 Oct 2011 15:33:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=nPSS8GullPoGGeQ7r0+iprdYfTfFqQfBVm7m4Utl8no=; b=nzWi7vn7r7RP3qQwFraJi9ePhioAtemC9o/0UKIqGWSLhQciV6Zx0J2jXYuKNhjLFe xvsnpxJ4ZGrRBFMdhzlayYfcjvquaY7ZGQQho4YM41R/U+a40GUCWulo/iqNXMDmk9xk Mp3qvBE0wGcpTm5ZAr/P/QZpI2nBWPqnCB1Aw= Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.135.2 with SMTP id t2mr95743wei.79.1317940397437; Thu, 06 Oct 2011 15:33:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.132.80 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Oct 2011 15:33:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4E8E1C54.4010706@orlitzky.com> References: <4E8AD6C4.7070901@gmail.com> <20111005162007.GA5820@badass.gateway.2wire.net> <20111005184721.01af0bda@toxic.dbnet> <201110060018.50015.peter@humphrey.ukfsn.org> <20111006102023.4471babe@toxic.dbnet> <4E8E0112.3010208@orlitzky.com> <20111006230040.04f9af0f@toxic.dbnet> <4E8E1C54.4010706@orlitzky.com> Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 15:33:17 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] OT: change and improvement From: =?UTF-8?B?Q2FuZWsgUGVsw6FleiBWYWxkw6lz?= To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: af6551a323bf540f8f3ce735d3219c70 On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Michael Orlitzky wro= te: > On 10/06/2011 05:00 PM, Jonas de Buhr wrote: >> Am Thu, 06 Oct 2011 15:27:14 -0400 >> schrieb Michael Orlitzky : >> >>> On 10/06/2011 04:20 AM, Jonas de Buhr wrote: >>>> >>>> most of the "oh it's so weird"-whining often comes from just not >>>> being used to it. flip your door lock upside down - you'll hate it >>>> with passion for a week and then you won't even notice. flip it >>>> again and the process will repeat. >>>> >>> >>> But if someone else snuck into your house and flipped your locks >>> every week? >>> >>> This one change won't be catastrophic, but I will probably spend a >>> good eight hours researching, testing, implementing, and documenting >>> it. In the end, *if everything goes according to plan*, stuff will >>> work exactly how it does now. >> >> nothing forces you to switch to grub2. >> > > True in theory, but not in practice. Legacy grub will go away > eventually. Technically, it's already gone. It's on life-support: the developers of grub-legacy are the same of GRUB2, and they are only accepting bug fixes, not new features (I believe, someone correct me if I'm mistaken). The good news is that your current hardware (and also the new, for the next few months) will probably work OK with grub-legacy. The bad news is that machines with EFI and UEFI will need to use GRUB2 (again, that is what I understand, correct me if I'm wrong). > If we have some grub-legacy and some grub2 installs, we have > to support (document, test, take out to dinner occasionally) both, which > is probably going to be more effort than just moving to grub2 after I > figure out how it works. Exactly. From my point of view, better to start moving to GRUB2 now (except for critical systems), to got it mastered when it hits stable. > Either way is going to require a non-zero amount of work, while zero is > the amount of work I would prefer to do. We have a say in M=C3=A9xico: "el que quiera azul celeste, que le cueste". It's basically the same as "there's no such thing as a free lunch": everything costs, maybe in money, maybe in time, maybe in work, and possibly on all of the above. But hey, at least you don't have to write your own boot loader. Regards. --=20 Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingenier=C3=ADa de la Computaci=C3=B3n Universidad Nacional Aut=C3=B3noma de M=C3=A9xico