Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Au revoir, gnome-3.8

["Canek Peláez Valdés" <caneko@gmail.com>]

On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 7:48 PM, walt <w41ter@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 08/07/2013 04:25 PM, gottlieb@nyu.edu wrote:
>> On Wed, Aug 07 2013, Samuli Suominen wrote:
>>
>>> On 07/08/13 05:25, gottlieb@nyu.edu wrote:
>>>> On Tue, Aug 06 2013, Samuli Suominen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> that's only because gnome 3.8 hasn't been stabilized yet. as in, there
>>>>> are no plans in keeping gnome 2.x available after gnome 3.8
>>>>> stabilization.
>>>>
>>>> Am I correct in believing that gnome-3.8 (whether in testing as now, or
>>>> stable later) requires init=systemd?  I am converting an old ~amd64
>>>> machine to systemd for practice so that I can convert my main laptop
>>>> (also ~amd64) to systemd.  The purpose of the conversions is to run
>>>> gnome-3.8 and higher.  I have other machines running stable.  Will I
>>>> need to convert them to systemd when gnome-3.8 becomes stable and if so
>>>> will the systemd wiki be expanded.
>>>
>>> Yes, GNOME 3.8+ does require sys-apps/systemd installed and running as
>>> init= for full functionality[1]
>>>
>>> However if you don't care about full functionality[1] you can still
>>> run GNOME 3.8+ with OpenRC while sys-apps/systemd is installed
>>> (because sys-apps/systemd has it's own copy of udev that still works
>>> with OpenRC)
>>>
>>> [1] HW support, like (auto)mounting and suspend/hibernate
>>
>> Thanks for the explanation.  Since suspend/resume is important for me, I
>> will keep up the effort to go to systemd.
>
> I like systemd a lot more than some other gentoo users in this group but
> as I implied in my original post, it is still very much in development,
> in gentoo anyway, and some important gentoo packages still lack the
> *.system config files that systemd absolutely needs to work with those
> packages.
>
> A good way to learn about the *.system config files is to look at other
> distros that have already switched to systemd, like fedora and arch, for
> example.
>
> I've said all this before several times in other threads, so I beg the
> forgiveness of the other old farts that hang out here :p

Just for the record, there are no "*.system config files", and systemd
comes with all its configuration files included.

What it's missing are some *.service files and (perhaps) *.socket
files for some packages; but that is easily solved by checking units
in

http://gpo.zugaina.org/sys-apps/systemd-units

or in

https://github.com/mgorny/gentoo-systemd-units

or in

https://github.com/mkszuba/systemd-gentoo-units

or even perhaps in the packages of other distributions. With systemd
is usually easy to adapt the unit files, and sometimes even to use
them directly.

And in particular, all the GNOME stack includes their necessary unit files.

Regards.
-- 
Canek Peláez Valdés
Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación
Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México