From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B64641381F3 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 17:29:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9D0BAE0F2B; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 17:29:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-la0-f52.google.com (mail-la0-f52.google.com [209.85.215.52]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 21562E0F22 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 17:29:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f52.google.com with SMTP id ev20so3444553lab.25 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 10:29:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=sBNQ9mcyFsxWvM2Ba3ZwgKU1F/pgL7AY8sfIo7PUwKc=; b=bgb+V/azbe6Su4ZPvp9Kz2xW5AMnzxdakWXvqh1MXgXp92LbTforiQhnFKw97MjUnT rBslGRtqsSrmKClW5/+O1Az//xUcv4rXw6Cm9YFtOSS5F2K2OiiLX3QhBDnqjKcUK5UK XMx4F8KG8GPDXTsgGlFRNGIuyvJS9Dc2IyCZGYsjWojuq+HFcakFA8Ij+TXv8HYOnXsB Ki9wleFEEvtwkJxWdvVqop7umSg+gMYj3QB7bLv//0vh7Yb5Ixgf1Dwz4qofobkgYMqJ T/6o/Et6oqvO83/DKH4VFa2uPXYXM6txyVTRQ1FYa1OkUUQpPsH7pYH6iApndUxDJb0a 1pfA== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.120.101 with SMTP id lb5mr2986581lab.29.1376933354387; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 10:29:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.96.2 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 10:29:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <52121D0F.5030004@libertytrek.org> References: <5211226F.2000000@libertytrek.org> <201308182208.43780.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> <521142A7.1020702@coolmail.se> <52121D0F.5030004@libertytrek.org> Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 12:29:14 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Optional /usr merge in Gentoo From: =?UTF-8?B?Q2FuZWsgUGVsw6FleiBWYWxkw6lz?= To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 36942815-24d2-4a96-82f9-4a019a4318f9 X-Archives-Hash: 98bd83b55e0a69c5691ba5ecc6725178 On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 8:26 AM, Tanstaafl wrot= e: > On 2013-08-18 10:55 PM, Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s = wrote: >> >> And, putting aside systemd and getting back on topic to the council's >> decision of (eventually) not supporting separated /usr without an >> initramfs; have you ever stopped to consider that, perhaps, that's the >> best *technical* decision? (*gasp*) > > > That is *not* the concern here, Canek, and that should be obvious from th= e > comments here. It's not obvious at all. > Repeat: the primary concern is *not* about separate /usr without initramf= s. See the last batch of emails; but even before a lot of people stated that their concern was the separate /usr withouth an initramfs dropping support. > The primary concern is that systemd will eventually be shoved down our > throats whether we want it or not, and using eudev or mdev or *anything* > other than systemd (ie OpenRC/eudev) will. That makes no sense: the OpenRC maintainer is the one pushing the change. > And the track record speaks for itself, regardless of *any* promises that= it > won't, it is obvious to anyone with eyes to see and ears to hear that thi= s > is a blatant LIE. Seriosly? If you don't trust the OpenRC maintainer then you are running out of options. > Everything that is happening is simply setting the stage for precisely th= at. Nah. That's FUD, simply. Again, dropping support for separate /usr without initramfs is being pushed by the OpenRC maintainer, because it needs that to effectively competing with systemd. Really, read the Gentoo Project ML. >> When you have almost all distributions converging on that, and even >> *the OpenRC maintainer* (which is the one pushing this, BTW, not the >> systemd guys) supporting that decision, don't you think that perhaps, >> just*perhaps*, everybody screaming about the sky falling (which, BTW, >> >> they are certainly noisy, but I really don't think are that many) are >> overreacting and even (*gasp* again) wrong? > > > Again, the main issue is not about separate /usr, so please stop trying t= o > deflect the subject... Stop spreding FUD. > In my opinion, the single largest reason to *not* switch to systemd in > gentoo is the source of the push - in other words, it is coming from Fedo= ra > - and GNOME lovers are the maintainers. Who's advocating for switching Gentoo to systemd? Citation please. Really guys, get your facts straight. Regards. --=20 Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingenier=C3=ADa de la Computaci=C3=B3n Universidad Nacional Aut=C3=B3noma de M=C3=A9xico