From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 743F41381F3 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2013 18:43:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 565ACE1000; Fri, 6 Sep 2013 18:43:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-lb0-f174.google.com (mail-lb0-f174.google.com [209.85.217.174]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 272ADE0FEA for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2013 18:43:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lb0-f174.google.com with SMTP id w6so3172258lbh.19 for ; Fri, 06 Sep 2013 11:43:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=TIOflDn1g8Cr7utimWorxskXIJOhUwl/GrBspnXUw7M=; b=WSuOLAZekkHWEEmAiBp8oZ5BgJpApRkLC5dOKSAPdxy2hhV5pv+4scX2tFyNq1aUDX CpJMvBcWF/pzjumP9zZmk4jBnXJLS3i92e3m2+7RuvGLEmzJwK18bVxTNULK16UtqVmL jlVbAnOE1zQekt1GIXmOQgb2KYfDd43ASKKhyX4id17sVW+smg4dJcPQwC3eJZdfRG5n +rktD1nM41Xt49JfPwAx2lzLl7O021kasmPJ3eTLNtb73iSD42y/kMAlW/fj8obaU2S1 Nj63hqbrPt0xbYZOVvibVPJPac5gghd/3cP+sM/hN9vIjtLutmnaElJ66UDZ+fQdLnkd 6rgQ== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.19.1 with SMTP id a1mr3318994lae.8.1378492989417; Fri, 06 Sep 2013 11:43:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.96.2 with HTTP; Fri, 6 Sep 2013 11:43:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87ob85st54.fsf@nyu.edu> References: <87ioye7pae.fsf@nyu.edu> <52292DA3.10101@gmail.com> <87ob85st54.fsf@nyu.edu> Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 13:43:09 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: must I mask gnome-3.8 until I am running systemd From: =?UTF-8?B?Q2FuZWsgUGVsw6FleiBWYWxkw6lz?= To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 898b9ca2-3fd6-4281-9c95-cf70f30960e2 X-Archives-Hash: 16cc98d4a60449f8ad823ea1b5168c8d On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 1:27 PM, wrote: > On Thu, Sep 05 2013, Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s wrote: > >> On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 8:19 PM, walt wrote: >>> On 09/05/2013 05:43 PM, gottlieb@nyu.edu wrote: >>>> [I will be going to systemd since it is aparently required for >>>> gnome-3.8. I first want to try systemd on a test system so am buildin= g >>>> that one up.] >>>> >>>> On my main system (currently running openrc) I have masked all of >>>> gnome-3.8. I wonder if this was an error and I can remove the >>>> mask. Is it the case that >>>> >>>> 1. Running openrc instead of systemd means you must mask gnome-3.8 >>>> >>>> or >>>> >>>> 2. It is ok to emerge gnome-3.8 without a mask but some pieces will >>>> stay at 3.6? >>>> >>>> In other words can I eliminate my file >>>> /etc/portage/package.mask/gnome-3.8 >>>> with all the 3.8 builds? >>> >>> Well, Canek is the systemd guru in this group, but I have been able >>> to boot my ~amd64 test machine successfully using *either* openrc or >>> systemd. >>> >>> This was a pleasant surprise to me because Canek posted not long ago >>> that openrc is now incompatible with systemd. >> >> I'm pretty sure I never said such thing. Both sys-apps/systemd and >> sys-apps/openrc satisfy virtual/service-manager, so if you installed >> systemd, OpenRC was depcleaned some days ago, but since bug 373219[1] >> hasn't been closed, they added OpenRC into the @system set, so now >> it's not even depcleaned. You can put -*sys-apps/openrc in >> /etc/portage/profile/package to solve that. >> >> No incompatibility, and I never said that. >> >>> Canek, please correct me if I'm wrong because I'm a bit lost in the >>> details of the gnome3/systemd update at the moment. >> >> I believe you can install OpenRC and systemd in parallel without >> problems. GNOME 3 will pull systemd when installed, but that doesn't >> mean you will need to uninstall OpenRC. However, several GNOME >> packages (including gdm, if I'm not mistaken) will fail if not running >> with systemd as PID=3D1. >> >> I don't know how well it works OpenRC parallel installed with systemd, >> I haven't used it in years. >> >> Regards. >> >> [1] https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D373219 > > Canek, Thanks for this information. But what about my original > question, namely > > Can I remove my masks and let gnome-3.8 replace 3.6 (to the > extent portage let's it) while I am running openrc and do > *not* have systemd installed? No, you can't: systemd is now a requirement for GNOME 3; gdm-3.8.4 requires systemd unconditionally. If you try to install GNOME 3.8, it will install gdm 3.8.4, which will bring systemd. You cannot install gdm without systemd; therefore, you cannot install gnome-base/gnome without systemd. You could *try* to update the pieces of GNOME to 3.8 that doesn't require systemd, but I don't think that will end happily. Regards. --=20 Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingenier=C3=ADa de la Computaci=C3=B3n Universidad Nacional Aut=C3=B3noma de M=C3=A9xico