From: "Canek Peláez Valdés" <caneko@gmail.com>
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 14:08:20 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CADPrc83LyqHhG9DNbvJ2VAPBBVSEgegU-q2n20X8QyvKgqH5mw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <53010A8E.2050909@googlemail.com>
On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann
<volkerarmin@googlemail.com> wrote:
[ snip ]
> or it is an idiotic decision. Because features means complexity.
Yeah, like the kernel.
> Complexity means bugs.
Bugs get reported, bugs get fixes. Life goes on.
> And you don't want complexity in PID1 or init. Let those 'features' be
> handled by their own specialists.
Almost all the features of systemd live outside of PID 1.
> You know, the unix way. Do one thing, do it well.
This is from my desktop machine:
/usr/lib/systemd/systemd-reply-password
/usr/lib/systemd/ntp-units.d
/usr/lib/systemd/systemd-coredump
/usr/lib/systemd/systemd-hostnamed
/usr/lib/systemd/systemd-binfmt
/usr/lib/systemd/systemd-localed
/usr/lib/systemd/systemd-machined
/usr/lib/systemd/systemd-sleep
/usr/lib/systemd/system-generators
/usr/lib/systemd/system-generators/systemd-system-update-generator
/usr/lib/systemd/system-generators/systemd-gpt-auto-generator
/usr/lib/systemd/system-generators/systemd-efi-boot-generator
/usr/lib/systemd/system-generators/systemd-fstab-generator
/usr/lib/systemd/system-generators/systemd-getty-generator
/usr/lib/systemd/system-generators/gentoo-local-generator
/usr/lib/systemd/systemd-fsck
/usr/lib/systemd/systemd-bootchart
/usr/lib/systemd/systemd-shutdown
/usr/lib/systemd/systemd-random-seed
/usr/lib/systemd/system-sleep
/usr/lib/systemd/systemd-remount-fs
/usr/lib/systemd/user-generators
/usr/lib/systemd/systemd-sysctl
/usr/lib/systemd/systemd-timedated
/usr/lib/systemd/catalog
/usr/lib/systemd/system-shutdown
/usr/lib/systemd/systemd-udevd
/usr/lib/systemd/systemd-multi-seat-x
/usr/lib/systemd/systemd-cgroups-agent
/usr/lib/systemd/systemd-user-sessions
/usr/lib/systemd/systemd-journal-gatewayd
/usr/lib/systemd/systemd-quotacheck
/usr/lib/systemd/systemd-shutdownd
/usr/lib/systemd/systemd-modules-load
/usr/lib/systemd/systemd-backlight
/usr/lib/systemd/systemd-ac-power
/usr/lib/systemd/systemd-initctl
/usr/lib/systemd/systemd-readahead
/usr/lib/systemd/systemd-journald
/usr/lib/systemd/systemd-activate
/usr/lib/systemd/systemd
/usr/lib/systemd/systemd-update-utmp
/usr/lib/systemd/systemd-vconsole-setup
/usr/lib/systemd/systemd-logind
All of them are different tools providing one capability to systemd as
a whole. So systemd is a collection of tools, where each one does one
thing, and it does it well.
By your definition, systemd perfectly follows "the unix way".
> Use text to communicate.
systemd can comunicate basically everything via text:
centurion ~ # systemctl show sshd.service | head
Id=sshd.service
Names=sshd.service
Requires=basic.target
Wants=system.slice
WantedBy=multi-user.target
Conflicts=shutdown.target
Before=shutdown.target multi-user.target
After=syslog.target network.target auditd.service
systemd-journald.socket basic.target system.slice
Description=OpenSSH server daemon
LoadState=loaded
For performance reasons, some things are passed or stored as data. Bu
everything works with text also. So, again, it passes your definition.
> That stuff. That makes things easy. And flexible. And replaceable.
Easy to whom? And systemd is more flexible that a lot of init systems,
in my opinion including OpenRC.
All the configuration and APIs are documented, public and open source.
Everything is replaceable if there is someone willing and able to
write a replacement.
Regards.
--
Canek Peláez Valdés
Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación
Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
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2014-02-15 15:16 [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie Tanstaafl
2014-02-15 17:01 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-15 17:32 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-15 20:23 ` Mick
2014-02-15 20:32 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-15 20:34 ` Daniel Campbell
2014-02-15 20:46 ` [gentoo-user] " eroen
2014-02-15 20:47 ` [gentoo-user] " Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-16 15:46 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-16 16:41 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-02-16 18:11 ` Samuli Suominen
2014-02-16 21:28 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-02-17 5:22 ` Samuli Suominen
2014-02-17 16:52 ` [gentoo-user] " »Q«
2014-02-17 15:29 ` [gentoo-user] " Stroller
2014-02-17 19:53 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-02-18 3:46 ` Mark David Dumlao
2014-02-18 9:47 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-02-18 9:52 ` J. Roeleveld
2014-02-18 11:17 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-02-18 12:16 ` J. Roeleveld
2014-02-18 23:06 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-02-19 7:07 ` J. Roeleveld
2014-02-18 11:54 ` Mark David Dumlao
2014-02-18 12:07 ` J. Roeleveld
2014-02-18 22:43 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-02-18 15:08 ` Andrew Savchenko
2014-02-16 16:50 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-16 18:31 ` Mick
2014-02-16 19:56 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-16 18:59 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2014-02-16 20:08 ` Canek Peláez Valdés [this message]
2014-02-16 20:58 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2014-02-16 21:16 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-17 17:52 ` Andrew Savchenko
2014-02-17 19:52 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-17 20:17 ` Andrew Savchenko
2014-02-18 11:41 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-18 0:35 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-18 2:05 ` Gevisz
2014-02-18 5:30 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-18 13:56 ` Gevisz
2014-02-18 18:53 ` the
2014-02-19 10:37 ` Gevisz
2014-02-21 8:41 ` the
2014-03-20 16:39 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-18 17:06 ` Andrew Savchenko
2014-02-18 17:22 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-18 18:07 ` Andrew Savchenko
2014-02-18 18:14 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-18 18:31 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-18 18:54 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-18 19:09 ` Tanstaafl
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2014-02-18 21:33 ` wabenbau
2014-03-20 16:55 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-19 7:04 ` Daniel Campbell
2014-02-19 7:55 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-19 9:02 ` Neil Bothwick
2014-02-19 10:34 ` Daniel Campbell
2014-02-19 10:50 ` Neil Bothwick
2014-02-19 10:54 ` Daniel Campbell
2014-02-19 20:14 ` Neil Bothwick
2014-02-19 9:06 ` Gevisz
2014-02-19 10:19 ` thegeezer
2014-02-19 12:13 ` Andrew Savchenko
2014-03-20 18:42 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-22 13:00 ` thegeezer
2014-03-22 13:09 ` thegeezer
2014-03-22 14:43 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-19 12:38 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-20 5:43 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-20 12:53 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-20 15:55 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-20 18:18 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-20 18:36 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-20 20:06 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-20 21:04 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-20 21:22 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-20 21:38 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-20 23:37 ` Michael Higgins
2014-02-21 0:16 ` Michael Higgins
2014-02-21 1:46 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-21 1:40 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-21 21:37 ` Michael Higgins
2014-02-21 22:44 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-21 14:32 ` Providing a path for systemd on gentoo - 'profiles', or 'eselect module'? - WAS " Tanstaafl
2014-02-21 21:58 ` Neil Bothwick
2014-02-22 16:37 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-22 17:46 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-03-20 18:57 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-20 20:22 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-03-20 20:33 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-20 21:24 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-03-20 22:55 ` Neil Bothwick
2014-02-25 10:03 ` [gentoo-user] " Nicolas Sebrecht
2014-02-26 7:16 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-26 8:07 ` Nicolas Sebrecht
2014-03-20 19:45 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-21 17:33 ` [gentoo-user] " thegeezer
2014-02-21 18:07 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-21 20:33 ` J. Roeleveld
2014-02-22 13:21 ` thegeezer
2014-02-22 13:26 ` thegeezer
2014-03-20 19:53 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-21 3:36 ` Mark David Dumlao
2014-02-21 4:59 ` Dale
2014-02-21 5:53 ` Andrew Savchenko
2014-03-20 20:00 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-20 20:27 ` Andrew Savchenko
2014-03-20 21:15 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-20 21:48 ` [gentoo-user] " »Q«
2014-03-21 10:37 ` Tanstaafl
2014-03-21 11:06 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-25 20:08 ` »Q«
2014-03-25 22:25 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-03-25 23:34 ` »Q«
2014-03-26 0:28 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-03-20 21:23 ` [gentoo-user] " Tanstaafl
2014-03-21 11:08 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-21 14:02 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-21 14:28 ` Mark David Dumlao
2014-02-21 14:50 ` Tanstaafl
2014-03-20 20:14 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-20 21:25 ` Tanstaafl
2014-03-21 11:13 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-21 12:10 ` Dale
2014-03-21 12:45 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-21 17:41 ` Dale
2014-03-21 18:32 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-22 0:29 ` Dale
2014-03-25 15:38 ` [gentoo-user] " Nicolas Sebrecht
2014-03-25 15:35 ` Nicolas Sebrecht
2014-03-25 17:15 ` J. Roeleveld
2014-03-26 8:49 ` Nicolas Sebrecht
2014-03-26 9:13 ` Mark David Dumlao
2014-03-21 12:27 ` [gentoo-user] " Neil Bothwick
2014-03-21 12:49 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-21 13:13 ` Poison BL.
2014-03-21 13:29 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-21 21:57 ` Walter Dnes
2014-03-21 22:34 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-03-21 23:46 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-22 10:34 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-03-22 10:57 ` Matti Nykyri
2014-03-22 11:08 ` Dale
2014-03-22 12:18 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-22 12:15 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-22 12:56 ` Neil Bothwick
2014-03-22 14:50 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-22 15:28 ` luis jure
2014-03-22 15:38 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-22 15:52 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-22 19:45 ` Neil Bothwick
2014-03-22 13:07 ` thegeezer
2014-03-22 12:05 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-21 23:40 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-22 13:35 ` Tanstaafl
2014-03-22 15:10 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-22 17:24 ` Dale
2014-03-21 17:49 ` Dale
2014-03-21 17:43 ` Tanstaafl
2014-03-21 18:23 ` Dale
2014-03-21 19:58 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-03-22 0:28 ` Dale
2014-03-22 9:24 ` Mick
2014-03-22 9:52 ` Dale
2014-02-21 15:20 ` Gevisz
2014-02-21 16:05 ` [gentoo-user] " »Q«
2014-02-21 21:07 ` [gentoo-user] " Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-18 19:32 ` Neil Bothwick
2014-02-18 19:54 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-03-21 11:18 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-20 16:52 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-18 16:43 ` Andrew Savchenko
2014-02-18 17:11 ` Gevisz
2014-02-18 17:13 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-03-20 16:36 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-18 16:36 ` Andrew Savchenko
2014-02-18 17:12 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-19 9:00 ` J. Roeleveld
2014-02-20 5:34 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-21 20:14 ` J. Roeleveld
2014-02-21 22:40 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-22 7:40 ` Mark David Dumlao
2014-02-22 10:38 ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-22 17:21 ` Stroller
2014-02-22 19:36 ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-22 20:22 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-22 21:39 ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-22 15:28 ` Andrew Savchenko
2014-02-22 17:50 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-03-20 16:24 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-18 9:54 ` J. Roeleveld
2014-02-18 14:37 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-19 8:50 ` J. Roeleveld
2014-02-19 19:54 ` Sebastian Beßler
2014-02-20 5:24 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-20 9:16 ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-20 11:33 ` [gentoo-user] " Nicolas Sebrecht
2014-02-20 11:53 ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-20 15:24 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-02-21 7:03 ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-21 8:48 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-02-21 9:59 ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-20 15:16 ` [gentoo-user] " Alan McKinnon
2014-02-21 21:03 ` J. Roeleveld
2014-02-20 15:52 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-21 20:30 ` J. Roeleveld
2014-03-21 11:27 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-21 11:24 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-21 11:50 ` J. Roeleveld
2014-03-21 11:59 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-21 12:41 ` J. Roeleveld
2014-03-21 13:20 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-21 14:06 ` J. Roeleveld
2014-03-21 14:37 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-21 17:29 ` Dale
2014-02-16 19:00 ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-16 19:26 ` Mick
2014-02-16 19:55 ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-16 20:27 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-16 20:56 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2014-02-18 21:05 ` Sebastian Beßler
2014-02-18 21:32 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-18 22:35 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-02-19 0:18 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-19 12:57 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-20 5:06 ` Mike Gilbert
2014-03-21 11:41 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-17 12:17 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-17 12:24 ` Daniel Campbell
2014-02-17 15:00 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-02-17 17:13 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-17 18:24 ` Andrew Savchenko
2014-02-18 0:49 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-18 17:44 ` Andrew Savchenko
2014-02-18 18:09 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-17 18:28 ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-18 1:09 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-18 11:35 ` Andrew Savchenko
2014-02-18 15:02 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-18 17:24 ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-18 17:46 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-18 8:19 ` [gentoo-user] " Nicolas Sebrecht
2014-02-18 14:25 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-18 19:24 ` gottlieb
2014-02-16 20:19 ` [gentoo-user] " Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-16 20:59 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2014-02-17 7:01 ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-23 13:35 ` Mick
2014-02-23 18:18 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-23 22:32 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-02-23 23:05 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-23 23:12 ` Mick
2014-02-23 23:54 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-24 20:54 ` Mick
2014-02-24 21:48 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-24 23:15 ` Mick
2014-02-25 12:40 ` Gentoo+Gnome requires systemd, but Gnome itself does not? Why? - WAS: " Tanstaafl
2014-02-25 12:58 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-02-25 16:26 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-24 1:07 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-02-24 2:10 ` Walter Dnes
2014-02-24 2:20 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-24 2:49 ` Poison BL.
2014-02-24 2:30 ` Mark David Dumlao
2014-02-24 6:37 ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-24 7:11 ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-24 12:39 ` Mark David Dumlao
2014-02-24 13:42 ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-24 14:33 ` Mark David Dumlao
2014-02-24 17:42 ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-24 18:55 ` Mark David Dumlao
2014-02-24 20:13 ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-26 20:29 ` Walter Dnes
2014-02-28 6:47 ` Stroller
2014-02-28 8:05 ` Samuli Suominen
2014-02-28 13:45 ` Stroller
2014-03-01 11:29 ` Mick
2014-03-21 11:35 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-15 20:30 ` Daniel Campbell
2014-02-15 21:32 ` Gevisz
2014-02-16 2:09 ` [gentoo-user] " walt
2014-02-16 2:23 ` Alon Bar-Lev
2014-02-21 0:08 ` Daniel Campbell
2014-02-21 1:42 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-21 2:39 ` Daniel Campbell
2014-02-21 2:53 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-21 3:22 ` Daniel Campbell
2014-02-21 21:04 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-21 13:24 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-21 13:34 ` Daniel Campbell
2014-02-21 13:43 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-21 13:54 ` Daniel Campbell
2014-02-21 14:03 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-21 15:28 ` Gevisz
2014-02-21 15:56 ` OT: 'profit motive' - WAS " Tanstaafl
2014-02-21 16:23 ` hasufell
2014-02-21 16:50 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-21 17:17 ` hasufell
2014-02-21 18:05 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-21 19:35 ` hasufell
2014-02-21 20:02 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-22 0:59 ` hasufell
2014-02-21 22:32 ` Gevisz
2014-02-21 22:29 ` Gevisz
2014-02-21 7:42 ` Andrew Savchenko
2014-02-21 21:32 ` Sebastian Beßler
2014-02-21 22:43 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-26 10:05 ` Stefan G. Weichinger
2014-02-21 22:19 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-21 13:48 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-16 18:49 ` [gentoo-user] " Volker Armin Hemmann
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