From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FF121381F3 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2013 14:05:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C883CE0BBE; Fri, 16 Aug 2013 14:05:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-la0-f51.google.com (mail-la0-f51.google.com [209.85.215.51]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 978A8E0B5C for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2013 14:05:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f51.google.com with SMTP id es20so1491330lab.38 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2013 07:05:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=aTfS0ua5/GpeRBZInzv+yKUWDyvLwZe9n9f0vNnxTJQ=; b=mzSX7nIpUYRa3vn+ld6Bh6v6Q7GfV0BMcRg6DUDdAQn5m3P2q419we+KNgxqCCNZpJ Gj3LCVvty2UdEVQrFbYf/gjv5GA2nTNW61A3JqcVkpxepBAIgyyNiVSRFx0qckQ1fpxm rORYwZ30wSQRChBg/KDW9P+I6qbv4wWGLszjFjdXLW3lWUNiQE6PEoOUK308CbRWWVMg czqunVKbyOezI/NRmhCx/V5lnIoKUww77oJGKsT14nMJu3gTnDCcQrEbMF2kWkK0Gfzc DXi33YV/kenQqhNesjA9pmROeKaWnHFw8abnqB4ie72ABJSG5twBZtmuuqF6o4t1IlK3 uf4g== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.9.195 with SMTP id c3mr1861530lbb.33.1376661901879; Fri, 16 Aug 2013 07:05:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.96.2 with HTTP; Fri, 16 Aug 2013 07:05:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <520E1C9E.70202@libertytrek.org> References: <520A5446.1050001@mail.ru> <520DA782.4050803@sporkbox.us> <520E1C9E.70202@libertytrek.org> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 09:05:01 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo From: =?UTF-8?B?Q2FuZWsgUGVsw6FleiBWYWxkw6lz?= To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 893975b2-9a8b-4335-a6b1-f1ddefcb8fcb X-Archives-Hash: eba86ce543175dd8f0e6e7dd735291b4 On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 7:35 AM, Tanstaafl wrot= e: > On 2013-08-16 8:29 AM, Alessio Ababilov wrote: >> >> 2013/8/13 Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s > >> >> >> I think it's a great experiment, but perhaps too much work for littl= e >> gain, at least currently. >> >> Thank you! >> >> The next council meeting will vote if separated /usr without and >> initramfs is officially supported by Gentoo; I hope this time around >> finally is officially and unequivocally stated by the council that a >> separated /usr without an initramfs is *NOT* supported. >> >> As I see from >> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/meeting-logs/20130813.txt, the >> council has stated that it is not supported anymore. > > > > > Great. So what does this mean for those of us with older systems with > separate /usr and don't want initramfs? It means exactly what the Council voted: "Since that particular setup may already be subtly broken today depending on the installed software, Council recommends using an early boot mount mechanism, e.g. initramfs, to mount /usr if /usr is on a separate partition." If you don't want an initramfs, you are on your own. Things will start to break subtly (probably they *are* broken *now*, you just didn't noticed), and if you file bugs about it they will be closed as WONTFIX or INVALID. If you want your system to be supported, you need an initarmfs, or anything similar that allows the system to mount /usr really early in the boot process. https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Early_Userspace_Mounting http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/initramfs-guide.xml By a quick lecture of the Council session, I believe they are even open to a closer /usr merge than I thought. When that happens (if it happens), your system (if you keep upgrading) will not be able to boot for sure if you don't follow the Council suggestion. Regards. --=20 Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingenier=C3=ADa de la Computaci=C3=B3n Universidad Nacional Aut=C3=B3noma de M=C3=A9xico