From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1R1nWN-00027G-20 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 08 Sep 2011 22:56:43 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F244F21C2A4; Thu, 8 Sep 2011 22:56:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ww0-f53.google.com (mail-ww0-f53.google.com [74.125.82.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82D5121C177 for ; Thu, 8 Sep 2011 22:55:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwf25 with SMTP id 25so445938wwf.10 for ; Thu, 08 Sep 2011 15:55:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=nfZ9wzO8rv0YfAwGXg54Ov5hLZMHh0Y+knGnLw9j+Mg=; b=vwZhockhnFA1Ay+fujL8ool8zlGTlVs/4ZFxk7bw7W+VmQ3fU2vM1sfJyfHtXHSQZm 6KEVifhh4RuYRy2vgrq2LoRTbdXoLM9wjLD4QuzqU7wUkz8tm+R4jnOqiDL0nH29dvsb YLfF8rbKXRYAOW+SJOC6JxGshUpnNY3xv/2Bw= Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.82.211 with SMTP id o61mr1227032wee.65.1315522532724; Thu, 08 Sep 2011 15:55:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.38.140 with HTTP; Thu, 8 Sep 2011 15:55:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4E692DA0.9000306@gmail.com> References: <201108191109.34984.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> <20110907050952.GA2588@linux1> <4E66FFFA.2020600@gmail.com> <201109071923.39954.Dan.Johansson@dmj.nu> <20110907235457.691be720@zaphod.digimed.co.uk> <20110908121151.018c38f3@rohan> <20110908222454.02488e58@rohan> <4E692DA0.9000306@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 18:55:32 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot From: =?UTF-8?B?Q2FuZWsgUGVsw6FleiBWYWxkw6lz?= To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: 2654903216317f1fc61bb8b7a7f3f95c On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 5:03 PM, Dale wrote: > Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s wrote: >> >> I htink almost everyone understand this. Regards. > > I think you are one of *very* few that understands this. > > This reminds me of a old joke. =C2=A0One in four people have a mental iss= ue. > =C2=A0Check three friends and if they are OK, you are it. =C2=A0Again, it= is a joke > but my point is, very few people are liking this. =C2=A0That alone should= say a > lot. I know, but Open Source has never been a democracy. It is a meritocracy. No matter how many get upset by a change, the opinions that matter are from those writing the code. >=C2=A0This is a very few people forcing a change that no one wants. That's a contradiction, isn't it? The "few people" forcing the change want it, I hope. >=C2=A0You seem to fail to understand that. I don't agree with the "few people" and the "no one wants" parts. I understand that this change is upseting some people, but I don't think you (nor I) can say for sure if it's even a majority of Gentoo users, and even if it were, again, Open Source is not a democracy. >=C2=A0If this "new way" of doing things causes > someones server to be hacked, I would be looking for that dev that starte= d > this mess. =C2=A0I don't run some large server but some on here do and th= is is > important as it gets. If you don't trust this change, you can always change distro/OS (Alan even recommended it). > Personally, if I'm going to have to start running my Gentoo box like a > binary based distro, I may as well use a binary based distro. =C2=A0If ot= hers > feel like I do, then Gentoo may start losing users. =C2=A0I got away from > Mandrake for reasons such as this. That's your prerrogative. And that's why I'm saying my word in the list: I'm pretty sure many users in the list (which are not all the Gentoo users) are not really upset with this change. The other POV has to be heard. > A init* is just one more thing to break. > =C2=A0If you been on this list long enough, you know my record for findin= g things > that are really crappy. =C2=A0One that comes to mind is hal. =C2=A0I can = assure you I > can find other examples. =C2=A0People complained about hal and the dev di= dn't > seem to listen until it really hit the fan. =C2=A0I think the replacement= was > made by the same dev but maybe after listening a bit he found where he co= uld > improve things. =C2=A0I wish the person behind this could do the same bef= ore he > breaks a lot of stuff. =C2=A0By the way, as Alan and others can point out= , I > never got hal to work on my system. =C2=A0It was nothing fancy either. = =C2=A0At the > time it was a Abit NF7 mobo with IDE drives and a PS/2 mouse and keyboard= . > =C2=A0If a package can't work right on something as basic as that, it has= little > hope of anything fancy for sure. I agree with HAL being a failed experiment: but I think we had to try it before discarding the idea. Maybe the crap will also hit the fan with this: I don't know (lost my crystal ball, sorry). But I really don't believe it, and I have some experience with Linux and Unix and this kind of stuff. Maybe I'm wrong of course. > I'm going back to my garden. =C2=A0You have fun promoting this mess that = is being > created. =C2=A0You seem to enjoy it a lot. I'm not promoting anything. Just want to get into the record that some users don't mind this change, and some of us even welcome it. The discussion I think has been interesting and civil. I do enjoy it. Regards. --=20 Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingenier=C3=ADa de la Computaci=C3=B3n Universidad Nacional Aut=C3=B3noma de M=C3=A9xico