From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F1F3138BF3 for ; Sat, 15 Feb 2014 17:32:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C511AE0B4B; Sat, 15 Feb 2014 17:32:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-lb0-f182.google.com (mail-lb0-f182.google.com [209.85.217.182]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7F96FE0B39 for ; Sat, 15 Feb 2014 17:32:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lb0-f182.google.com with SMTP id w7so10423758lbi.27 for ; Sat, 15 Feb 2014 09:32:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=aOKwpw+9tecB5CJjg0l/MQ5347p4nxzDdWWqsK83wxw=; b=C8mf0jhjBHUpMUJalGbFqkN79fOqMykg1tsCRYnbG9hZ2z4pyrw3gMKBLx6vb6f8af 6RKCfMWvRkadCFH7GYyvWI4fGOtEUm4075iz0kpNb1jcOYT65v4HoyPIYELf5GxITxam T0KVJKnnxb2lVGLkLghXTN4calcJDP6DvDNviRMDRvRH9QJignESpGKVHi8Vr0f3tdLS spZ00bEEVNHzui6zk3jgYwn5SWa+uQmYKB4B19kk0jNeIWr19z11V5OSi8YqhKkC/VDw po5zo0fnpnsCJPKGkAGVzBn+AkvkRE7GDeVf7XrfglMxMUYhPdRh8HIDbAF6rPMj6HYq pr2w== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.23.39 with SMTP id j7mr2564488laf.35.1392485564510; Sat, 15 Feb 2014 09:32:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.170.67 with HTTP; Sat, 15 Feb 2014 09:32:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.170.67 with HTTP; Sat, 15 Feb 2014 09:32:44 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <52FF9D58.3000608@libertytrek.org> References: <52FF84CE.2050301@libertytrek.org> <52FF9D58.3000608@libertytrek.org> Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 11:32:44 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie From: =?UTF-8?B?Q2FuZWsgUGVsw6FleiBWYWxkw6lz?= To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0158ca046d778504f2754f57 X-Archives-Salt: 4cb75d26-be59-4a09-9a47-276c5f6b360f X-Archives-Hash: df08971910a9ed60d809ab77b850edd1 --089e0158ca046d778504f2754f57 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Feb 15, 2014 11:02 AM, "Tanstaafl" wrote: > > On 2014-02-15 10:16 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> Not to revive a flame-fest against systemd, but... >> >> I'm sure some or most of you have already heard about this, but I found >> a really decent thread discussing this whole systemd thing. It is only >> really comparing systemd and upstart, as that was the debate going on in >> the debian TC, but it is a great read, and has actually made me rethink >> my blind objections to systemd a bit. > > > One of which was logging: > > "20. Myth: systemd makes it impossible to run syslog. > > Not true, we carefully made sure when we introduced the journal that all data is also passed on to any syslog daemon running. In fact, if something changed, then only that syslog gets more complete data now than it got before, since we now cover early boot stuff as well as STDOUT/STDERR of any system service." > > From: http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the-biggest-myths.html Also, for those of you who don't follow Linux-related news, Ubuntu will also change to systemd in the future: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1316 And I *heard* that Slackware was also discussing the possibility, but since I don't follow Slackware at all, I don't know for sure. Anyway, distros not using systemd, and that they are not really small and/or niche, seem to be disappearing. The discussion that Tanstaafl posted is interesting since the arguments used by the four TC members are really focused on the technical merits of the proposed init systems. Regards. -- Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingenier=C3=ADa de la Computaci=C3=B3n Universidad Nacional Aut=C3=B3noma de M=C3=A9xico --089e0158ca046d778504f2754f57 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Feb 15, 2014 11:02 AM, "Tanstaafl" <tanstaafl@libertytrek.org> wro= te:
>
> On 2014-02-15 10:16 AM, Tanstaafl <tanstaafl@libertytrek.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Not to revive a flame-fest against systemd, but...
>>
>> I'm sure some or most of you have already heard about this, bu= t I found
>> a really decent thread discussing this whole systemd thing. It is = only
>> really comparing systemd and upstart, as that was the debate going= on in
>> the debian TC, but it is a great read, and has actually made me re= think
>> my blind objections to systemd a bit.
>
>
> One of which was logging:
>
> "20. Myth: systemd makes it impossible to run syslog.
>
> Not true, we carefully made sure when we introduced the journal that a= ll data is also passed on to any syslog daemon running. In fact, if somethi= ng changed, then only that syslog gets more complete data now than it got b= efore, since we now cover early boot stuff as well as STDOUT/STDERR of any = system service."
>
> From: http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the-biggest-myths.html

Also, for those of you who don't follow Linux-related ne= ws, Ubuntu will also change to systemd in the future:

ht= tp://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1316

And I *heard* that Slackware was also discussing the possibi= lity, but since I don't follow Slackware at all, I don't know for s= ure.

Anyway, distros not using systemd, and that they are not rea= lly small and/or niche, seem to be disappearing. The discussion that Tansta= afl posted is interesting since the arguments used by the four TC members a= re really focused on the technical merits of the proposed init systems.

Regards.
--
Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s
Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingenier=C3=ADa de la Computaci=C3=B3n
Universidad Nacional Aut=C3=B3noma de M=C3=A9xico

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