From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84A9A1381F3 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 00:26:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2A42E21C06C; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 00:26:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ie0-f181.google.com (mail-ie0-f181.google.com [209.85.223.181]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 59D2B21C03C for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 00:24:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ie0-f181.google.com with SMTP id 16so8331960iea.40 for ; Sun, 11 Nov 2012 16:24:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=pTEDy9Xe/CzSHsdMcO6yhFV4gOhYZoYojTW6THJqOaU=; b=aMIGjMBiIu0x4N847sy/SLCMJKiQZJGhQYpUHxRNvVb4gI8ZTajyRRAPGxl5VqkeGQ VlHv8QRR5y8HNfd9kp01hwVlv0jhSFCZm6DH06yUck8N9DpMdW4Emg303ELO+mxEVXJj 4hChv9DkxY/nHMOiScQBoYAA7DLe+v22szaiovtSioMtiCCeWrvM6aRXu3qC5x2wFEBp zpo53gUd5j1JR5ZAIVU7ZQ0Tjj8yuFLCYJgQcugW4DaEt3z7KUoq/9380n1eMG5n1OLt DSsH84cpRrL/kTk1KPIpQBBVy/k5UOhPlZGRiV5QtJWAP1zV26Or27vKRuOWIIw1B8Vx olSQ== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.197.194 with SMTP id iw2mr6515549igc.64.1352679872552; Sun, 11 Nov 2012 16:24:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.32.195 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Nov 2012 16:24:32 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20121112013321.64a4e1e0@khamul.example.com> References: <5547419.JtVDJ1Bk26@energy> <20121111132241.GU17663@server> <1524141.GPK41Ktrl4@gentoo> <20121112013321.64a4e1e0@khamul.example.com> Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 18:24:32 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :) From: =?UTF-8?B?Q2FuZWsgUGVsw6FleiBWYWxkw6lz?= To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 60956db7-d4c5-41d1-adec-442b21fafdee X-Archives-Hash: 3d601c9322699ae5a0b3d2aced2e4897 On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 5:33 PM, Alan McKinnon wr= ote: > On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 21:32:41 +0800 > =E5=BE=AE=E8=94=A1 wrote: > >> =E5=9C=A8 2012=E5=B9=B411=E6=9C=8811=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E6=97= =A5 07:22:41=EF=BC=8CBruce Hill =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A >> > On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 01:49:03PM +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann >> > wrote: >> > > hate is a natural reaction if something you don't need and don't >> > > want is forced upon you. If it is also based on lies, hate is a >> > > valid reaction. A lot of people don't need nor want pulseaudio or >> > > systemd. Now it is forced on everybody. >> > > >> > > When systemd devs took over udev, one was told that of course, >> > > one could use udev without [systemd] in the future. >> > > >> > > Now they are talking about making udev systemd only. >> >> obsolutly nonsense. what they remove , is the ability to build udev >> seperately. udev can still be used without systemd. >> > > Say Dude, > > I have a question (well, two actually) > > My name is Alan and I've been subscribed on this list for 7 years. > > What's your name, and how long have you been around? > > Just trying to establish your place in the pecking order in this here > meritocracy. Seniority !=3D meritocracy. And I don't know how much "meritocratic" this list could be, since it is a users lists. The most "merit" a member of this list can get is to give technically acurate, constructive, and polite help for those users asking for it. IMO, the most active users of this lists usually fail in at least two of those three, sometimes all of them. Unfortunately, I don't think I have done better. I suscribed to this lists more than eight years ago; I stopped asking for help here just a few months later. Which is easily explained by people like you that believe that "being around" longer somehow gives more "merit" and that there is a "pecking order". I was under the impression that, being all of us Gentoo users, we were equals, although some of us know less about some things and some others know more about some other things. Hence the smart, mature, and polite exchange of ideas. I didn't know this was a pissing contest. This is a technical help list, related to the Gentoo Linux distribution. Please, don't try to "pull rank" in here; you just look bad, and at least I would laugh at the futility of it. Even more considering I've been around longer: http://www.mail-archive.com/gentoo-user@gentoo.org/msg35368.html Mmmh. Maybe I've been around even longer than 8 years. But, who the fuck ca= res? It's completely relevant. Regards. --=20 Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingenier=C3=ADa de la Computaci=C3=B3n Universidad Nacional Aut=C3=B3noma de M=C3=A9xico