From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E47041381FA for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2014 02:06:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D4CE1E0B98; Wed, 4 Jun 2014 02:05:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ig0-f181.google.com (mail-ig0-f181.google.com [209.85.213.181]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C9CE0E0B34 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2014 02:05:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ig0-f181.google.com with SMTP id h3so501831igd.8 for ; Tue, 03 Jun 2014 19:05:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=iPwEepWaXldXhRyffqTAkRVzqgcfmDrnppruTrEpJKg=; b=MhRRMdwMpWx8HL1tXvDgQAx23GfkbB6PKUDiAbJreniyL4ie+RJHuHk0tMVf7KA1Zx ZZXapMNTt+AVHekzn0C8qYBDoBOq0L2a75g7A0wv8KnW5iHhXBzDLWTsQiTB+7Sez2v4 LACCPZf5RFXxip67ZvJv1HsVDn9OKvfR+bSju1k2HL4RgLgp1/IQ5kHm7P+1PUTqtODJ 98/HZBMUKmx1VLN5WBAsG6WaGse7r6wqX3dlz2sziF/+kUAb6CVv6ns3Xv+Xw2xJvmoi PhcAL9gboumwfy1fQpIRMkAk729CU8hCPU6nXJnRHAJ6DhHu7o2CM1y6yhm+8/3JmYVU 2AxQ== X-Received: by 10.50.43.202 with SMTP id y10mr952016igl.23.1401847551158; Tue, 03 Jun 2014 19:05:51 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.64.136.237 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Jun 2014 19:05:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <538E783F.3040208@gmail.com> References: <20140603161406.0400709b5f38540475ac4c1f@web.de> <6653474.aQqAYpAeto@wstn> <538DFC41.3080602@libertytrek.org> <538E783F.3040208@gmail.com> From: =?UTF-8?B?Q2FuZWsgUGVsw6FleiBWYWxkw6lz?= Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2014 21:05:31 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 55edc6c1-fb44-4275-9916-79de1e3cce30 X-Archives-Hash: 2402f69135a6564033cfdbb74a0e6fec On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 8:37 PM, Greg Woodbury wrote: > On 06/03/2014 01:08 PM, Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s wrote: >> Who is "forcing" anything? pm-utils has been unmaintained FOR FIVE >> YEARS. Any project that decides to stop using it is making just the >> right decision; UPower just did the correct thing. And systemd had >> *nothing* to do with it, except for providing a better, more reliable >> alternative. >> >> That's what you and many others don't seem to understand: systemd is a >> *BETTER* implementation for basically *ALL* the hodgepodge of >> "solutions" that we had before in our plumbing layer. > > > >> >> There is no conspiracy here (although for *SURE* there are >> scare-mongering conspiracy theorists); there is (sic) only developers (Sorry; I'm not a native English writer). >> working in the best possible implementation for our plumbing layer, >> and other developers realizing that, in Linux at least, supporting >> anything besides systemd is a freakin' waste of time and resources. >> >> Again; you don't like it? Then do something about it instead of >> posting in *-user lists. > > You are certainly keen in pressing your *opinions* here there and > everywhere. Well, I also did what I could to help systemd in Gentoo get to its currently state. Certainly I did not *just* complained on this mailing list about why I could not use systemd and uninstall OpenRC; I helped make it happen. And it worked. > Sure, systemd is a more elegant solution than the patchworks that have > been applied several times to the original SysV concept. Glad to see you recognize that. > However, the implementors and advocates of systemd have stepped on the > concerns and violated certain basic freedoms of many folks in their zeal > to see their vision become predominate. Oh FFS. What "freedoms" have you had "violated"? The "freedom" to mandate what other developers should write, or what packages they can use as hard dependencies? You never had that "freedom". That's the developer freedom; if you want some of that, become a developer. Or help Samuli to maintain upower-pm-utils; that would be *much* more helpful than spreding FUD about cabals and conspiracies. Regards. --=20 Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s Profesor de asignatura, Facultad de Ciencias Universidad Nacional Aut=C3=B3noma de M=C3=A9xico