Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

["Canek Peláez Valdés" <caneko@gmail.com>]

On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 8:37 PM, Greg Woodbury <redwolfe@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 06/03/2014 01:08 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>> Who is "forcing"  anything? pm-utils has been unmaintained FOR FIVE
>> YEARS. Any project that decides to stop using it is making just the
>> right decision; UPower just did the correct thing. And systemd had
>> *nothing* to do with it, except for providing a better, more reliable
>> alternative.
>>
>> That's what you and many others don't seem to understand: systemd is a
>> *BETTER* implementation for basically *ALL* the hodgepodge of
>> "solutions" that we had before in our plumbing layer.
>
> <snip>
>
>>
>> There is no conspiracy here (although for *SURE* there are
>> scare-mongering conspiracy theorists); there is (sic) only developers

(Sorry; I'm not a native English writer).

>> working in the best possible implementation for our plumbing layer,
>> and other developers realizing that, in Linux at least, supporting
>> anything besides systemd is a freakin' waste of time and resources.
>>
>> Again; you don't like it? Then do something about it instead of
>> posting in *-user lists.
>
> You are certainly keen in pressing your *opinions* here there and
> everywhere.

Well, I also did what I could to help systemd in Gentoo get to its
currently state. Certainly I did not *just* complained on this mailing
list about why I could not use systemd and uninstall OpenRC; I helped
make it happen.

And it worked.

> Sure, systemd is a more elegant solution than the patchworks that have
> been applied several times to the original SysV concept.

Glad to see you recognize that.

> However, the implementors and advocates of systemd have stepped on the
> concerns and violated certain basic freedoms of many folks in their zeal
> to see their vision become predominate.

Oh FFS. What "freedoms" have you had "violated"? The "freedom" to
mandate what other developers should write, or what packages they can
use as hard dependencies?

You never had that "freedom". That's the developer freedom; if you
want some of that, become a developer.

Or help Samuli to maintain upower-pm-utils; that would be *much* more
helpful than spreding FUD about cabals and conspiracies.

Regards.
-- 
Canek Peláez Valdés
Profesor de asignatura, Facultad de Ciencias
Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México