From: "Canek Peláez Valdés" <caneko@gmail.com>
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 18:36:56 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CADPrc82iYPcMZNVwHocvYHLBrGY71cQ-33jMQRg-yuPGHgGa5A@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110908231128.0fe4dc38@rohan>
On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 5:11 PM, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Sep 2011 16:48:45 -0400
> Canek Peláez Valdés <caneko@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 4:43 PM, Michael Schreckenbauer
>> <grimlog@gmx.de> wrote:
>> > Am Donnerstag, 8. September 2011, 16:23:36 schrieb Canek Peláez
>> > Valdés:
>> >> > In what valid way does access to /usr become something that udev
>> >> > may be required to support?
>> >>
>> >> It is a matter of what else do you end having in /bin and /lib.
>> >> Remember that udev rules can execute arbitrary code. Do all that
>> >> code needs to be moved to /bin and /lib also?
>> >
>> > Of course. That's what /bin, /sbin and /lib are for.
>> >
>> >> I keep telling: it is a difficult problem.
>> >
>> > No. Just move or copy the binaries and libs *you* use for *your*
>> > udev-scripts to /bin, /sbin and /lib
>>
>> I *really* don't think bluetoothd belongs to /sbin. But, hey, that's
>> me.
>
> Then do what all sane code does when the scripts it uses fails or cannot
> be found - throw an error and continue.
This is the problem with people not seeing the big picture: Imagine a
modern system with a bluetooth keyboard. I know, we are geeks, we use
real-men keyboards, not connected with bluetooth. But believe me,
there are people doing that, attaching bluetooth keyboards to their
systems.
And then, the system does a fsck, and it fails and the user needs to
enter her password to go into maintenance mode. But guess what, if the
bluetoothd daemon is not running, she is going to be a very very very
sad user, because "it will throw an error and continue", leaving her
unable to fix it.
We are no longer in 1982: we actually have bluetooth keyboards. It is
a very valid and very actual (probably more in the future) use case.
To solve this case the devs had to choose between putting everything
and the kitchen sink into /sbin or /bin (it is not bounded: anything
can be executed from udev), or to ask to put /usr into / or using an
initramfs.
Sorry if I concur with the later option.
Regards.
--
Canek Peláez Valdés
Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación
Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
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2011-08-18 18:59 [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot frares
2011-08-18 19:08 ` András Csányi
2011-08-19 12:42 ` [gentoo-user] " Nikos Chantziaras
2011-08-19 19:38 ` Francesco Talamona
2011-08-18 19:13 ` [gentoo-user] " Michael Mol
2011-08-19 5:33 ` Graham Murray
2011-08-19 1:44 ` Matthew Finkel
2011-08-19 2:27 ` Mark Knecht
2011-08-19 10:09 ` Mick
2011-08-19 13:12 ` frares
2011-08-19 13:41 ` Gregory Woodbury
2011-08-19 22:08 ` Dale
2011-08-20 7:04 ` Mick
2011-08-20 7:17 ` Dale
2011-08-20 8:29 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-08-20 8:48 ` Dale
2011-08-20 8:57 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-08-20 12:55 ` Mick
2011-09-06 23:06 ` Dale
2011-09-07 5:09 ` William Hubbs
2011-09-07 5:24 ` Dale
2011-09-07 17:23 ` Dan Johansson
2011-09-07 17:52 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-07 18:09 ` Michael Mol
2011-09-07 18:28 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-07 19:07 ` Michael Mol
2011-09-07 19:10 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-07 19:19 ` Alex Schuster
2011-09-07 19:24 ` Michael Mol
2011-09-07 19:27 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-07 22:54 ` Neil Bothwick
2011-09-07 23:04 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-07 23:39 ` Michael Mol
2011-09-08 3:23 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 10:11 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-08 15:32 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 20:24 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-08 20:37 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 21:03 ` Dale
2011-09-08 22:55 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-09 2:55 ` Dale
2011-09-09 15:29 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-09 9:10 ` Joost Roeleveld
2011-09-08 17:30 ` pk
2011-09-08 18:40 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-09 5:04 ` pk
2011-09-07 23:55 ` Neil Bothwick
2011-09-08 3:30 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 3:39 ` Dale
2011-09-08 14:51 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 15:15 ` Michael Mol
2011-09-08 15:40 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 15:58 ` Neil Bothwick
2011-09-08 16:11 ` Michael Schreckenbauer
2011-09-08 16:45 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 17:11 ` Michael Schreckenbauer
2011-09-08 17:22 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 20:05 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-08 20:23 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 20:43 ` Michael Schreckenbauer
2011-09-08 20:48 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 21:04 ` Michael Schreckenbauer
2011-09-08 21:11 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-08 22:36 ` Canek Peláez Valdés [this message]
2011-09-08 23:23 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-08 23:34 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-09 11:35 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-08 21:29 ` Alan Mackenzie
2011-09-08 21:44 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-08 22:06 ` Michael Schreckenbauer
2011-09-09 8:06 ` [gentoo-user] " Nicolas Sebrecht
2011-09-09 10:03 ` Michael Schreckenbauer
2011-09-12 8:40 ` Nicolas Sebrecht
2011-09-12 9:18 ` Michael Schreckenbauer
2011-09-12 16:50 ` Dale
2011-09-08 22:31 ` [gentoo-user] " Alan Mackenzie
2011-09-08 23:05 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-08 21:04 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-08 20:40 ` Michael Schreckenbauer
2011-09-08 20:56 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-08 21:06 ` Michael Schreckenbauer
2011-09-08 21:38 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-08 22:28 ` Michael Schreckenbauer
2011-09-08 23:01 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-08 17:35 ` pk
2011-09-08 17:47 ` Michael Mol
2011-09-08 18:11 ` pk
2011-09-08 19:01 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 19:40 ` Michael Mol
2011-09-09 9:39 ` Joost Roeleveld
2011-09-08 18:41 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-09 5:18 ` pk
2011-09-08 7:59 ` Neil Bothwick
2011-09-08 15:08 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 7:37 ` [gentoo-user] " Alberto Luaces
2011-09-08 8:17 ` Alberto Luaces
2011-09-08 1:37 ` [gentoo-user] " David W Noon
2011-09-08 2:49 ` Dale
2011-09-08 3:33 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 8:09 ` Michael Schreckenbauer
2011-09-08 15:13 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 16:06 ` Michael Schreckenbauer
2011-09-08 16:34 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 17:01 ` Michael Schreckenbauer
2011-09-08 17:18 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 17:45 ` Michael Mol
2011-09-08 19:00 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 19:37 ` Michael Mol
2011-09-08 20:03 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 20:57 ` Michael Mol
2011-09-09 8:11 ` Paul Colquhoun
2011-09-09 8:53 ` Dale
2011-09-09 9:15 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-10 1:25 ` Dale
2011-09-10 1:32 ` Michael Mol
2011-09-10 1:58 ` Dale
2011-09-10 7:30 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-10 7:54 ` Dale
2011-09-10 10:00 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-10 14:59 ` Dale
2011-09-10 15:52 ` Pandu Poluan
2011-09-10 16:34 ` Alex Schuster
2011-09-10 21:15 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-10 21:28 ` Dale
2011-09-10 22:35 ` Alex Schuster
2011-09-11 9:37 ` Peter Humphrey
2011-09-12 8:41 ` Neil Bothwick
2011-09-12 8:40 ` Neil Bothwick
2011-09-12 8:37 ` Neil Bothwick
2011-09-12 8:55 ` Alex Schuster
2011-09-12 8:35 ` Neil Bothwick
2011-09-10 17:33 ` William Kenworthy
2011-09-10 18:12 ` William Kenworthy
2011-09-10 18:21 ` Dale
2011-09-12 7:12 ` Joost Roeleveld
2011-09-12 12:14 ` Mike Edenfield
2011-09-12 12:28 ` Joost Roeleveld
2011-09-12 14:47 ` Pandu Poluan
2011-09-12 15:29 ` Michael Mol
2011-09-12 15:44 ` Joost Roeleveld
2011-09-12 16:56 ` Dale
2011-09-10 7:16 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-10 7:56 ` Dale
2011-09-12 7:17 ` Joost Roeleveld
2011-09-12 7:49 ` Dale
2011-09-09 11:35 ` Alex Schuster
2011-09-09 12:46 ` Mick
2011-09-09 16:44 ` pk
2011-09-09 17:04 ` Alex Schuster
2011-09-09 17:09 ` Michael Mol
2011-09-10 1:10 ` Dale
2011-09-10 1:01 ` Dale
2011-09-10 10:56 ` Alex Schuster
2011-09-10 15:52 ` Dale
2011-09-10 22:02 ` Keith Dart
2011-09-10 22:51 ` Alex Schuster
2011-09-10 23:40 ` Keith Dart
2011-09-11 11:59 ` Alex Schuster
2011-09-09 17:24 ` pk
2011-09-09 17:53 ` Michael Schreckenbauer
2011-09-10 1:15 ` Dale
2011-09-10 1:23 ` Michael Mol
2011-09-10 1:49 ` Dale
2011-09-10 7:17 ` pk
2011-09-10 7:36 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-10 10:24 ` Mick
2011-09-10 16:09 ` Dale
2011-09-10 16:19 ` Michael Mol
2011-09-10 16:36 ` Pandu Poluan
2011-09-10 16:50 ` Michael Mol
2011-09-10 16:47 ` Dale
2011-09-10 21:28 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-11 8:22 ` Mike Edenfield
2011-09-11 8:54 ` Pandu Poluan
2011-09-11 9:51 ` pk
2011-09-10 10:43 ` Alex Schuster
2011-09-11 3:16 ` Paul Colquhoun
2011-09-11 7:29 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-11 12:26 ` Alex Schuster
2011-09-11 18:56 ` Dale
2011-09-11 19:37 ` Mick
2011-09-11 21:07 ` Dale
2011-09-11 21:46 ` David W Noon
2011-09-11 22:08 ` Dale
2011-09-12 1:44 ` James Wall
2011-09-12 8:12 ` Joost Roeleveld
2011-09-12 19:07 ` David W Noon
2011-09-12 7:45 ` Joost Roeleveld
2011-09-12 8:32 ` Alex Schuster
2011-09-12 8:49 ` Neil Bothwick
2011-09-12 9:07 ` Joost Roeleveld
2011-09-12 9:13 ` Neil Bothwick
2011-09-12 9:34 ` Joost Roeleveld
2011-09-12 10:57 ` Neil Bothwick
2011-09-14 5:01 ` Walter Dnes
2011-09-08 19:48 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-08 20:21 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 20:38 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-08 20:46 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 21:25 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-08 16:44 ` David W Noon
2011-09-08 16:56 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 18:05 ` David W Noon
2011-09-08 19:13 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 20:25 ` David W Noon
2011-09-08 20:42 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 22:33 ` Mick
2011-09-08 22:39 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 23:00 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-08 23:26 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-09 6:22 ` Mick
2011-09-09 7:35 ` Dale
2011-09-08 22:51 ` David W Noon
2011-09-08 20:45 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-08 23:32 ` David W Noon
2011-09-09 11:41 ` Alex Schuster
2011-09-09 12:44 ` Dale
2011-09-09 14:02 ` Alex Schuster
2011-09-10 1:20 ` Dale
2011-09-09 18:16 ` David W Noon
2011-09-09 19:57 ` Alex Schuster
2011-08-20 12:53 ` Gregory Woodbury
2011-08-20 12:59 ` David W Noon
2011-08-20 13:29 ` Mick
2011-08-20 13:58 ` Pandu Poluan
2011-08-20 15:32 ` David W Noon
2011-08-20 14:22 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-08-19 13:48 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-08-19 15:06 ` frares
2011-08-19 15:20 ` Alan McKinnon
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2011-08-18 19:17 frares
2011-08-18 19:26 ` frares
2011-08-18 19:42 ` Michael Mol
2011-08-18 23:29 ` Peter Humphrey
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