From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 127B71381FA for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2014 23:14:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9EF25E0B0B; Tue, 3 Jun 2014 23:14:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ie0-f172.google.com (mail-ie0-f172.google.com [209.85.223.172]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8DF45E0AFE for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2014 23:14:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ie0-f172.google.com with SMTP id tp5so6547151ieb.17 for ; Tue, 03 Jun 2014 16:14:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=yC1dDEhGTXYbt8z75vXgFGF4g5z0z5sMmkMs7n+32tI=; b=SmquFYhZYfT32aPo6fy1+5PxZn8GTnbl0vNlBT7JsCB6E3nfNmbJk2dQWZ8p7ZVPBo nCbr+BnCa/SeGygB5M4f+86WBvqu1zCc3VkwQKJCtFoP3fofv+TuUZ71Qk8ZeUvnWz+n 3rpqOJSfiI+YV1uohG01ZhMgvtVH4B8Yx38uHImd1HvovUhB2QLyAWVKjpN6riXab+E7 Tr6wdktfxBBPrhpRBtghVuWG8ExxLl/fOCB1q9c/ccbq3ucp20eWOHbspakRy1RdI4ei CTd8Y1dCp0BE24A567WnhCNCoC58hJWru04Y23YJoz5e/G5Rr18i7TGjtzDHmpItfcyj dorg== X-Received: by 10.50.43.202 with SMTP id y10mr2353339igl.23.1401837244691; Tue, 03 Jun 2014 16:14:04 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.64.136.237 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Jun 2014 16:13:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20140603161406.0400709b5f38540475ac4c1f@web.de> <6653474.aQqAYpAeto@wstn> <538DFC41.3080602@libertytrek.org> <538E2CBA.4000709@gmail.com> <538E37A0.1030105@marc-stuermer.de> <538E40E6.8060107@gmail.com> From: =?UTF-8?B?Q2FuZWsgUGVsw6FleiBWYWxkw6lz?= Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2014 18:13:44 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: b0c4e166-f7b4-4e64-b2bd-d2697e36af6e X-Archives-Hash: 7bc92cfacdc3a5b3014181edab1385d8 On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 5:06 PM, Alon Bar-Lev wrote: > On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 12:59 AM, Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s wrote: >> >> On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 4:40 PM, Alan McKinnon = wrote: >> [...] >> > Incidentally, what exactly is wrong with systemd writing a dhcp server= & >> > client, and an ntp client? Is that project prohibited from writing suc= h >> > software? Are they not allowed to do it? Does it break legal laws? Is >> > there an NDA or non-compete clause in the mix that I'm not aware of? >> > Because they are the only things that could stop systemd from writing >> > such code; without such prohibitions they are free to spend their time >> > doing whatever they damn well please and if that means yet another dhc= p >> > implementation, so be it. >> >> Alan, thanks for succinctly putting why is absurd to complain about >> someone else's desire to write whatever code she desires to write. And >> to sharing it to the world! The HORROR! >> >> How *DARE* they to release their code? For free! >> > > Once again, you do not understand the claim. It is you who does not understand how software workds. See Alan response. > If a user of Gentoo chooses to use non systemd profile, it means that > we need to make sure systemd will not be a valid option, ever. Again, you don't understand how software works: this has nothing to do with "profiles", it has to do with the fact that UPower now relies on systemd, and therefore people who has UPower installed now, *by default*, require systemd. If they don't want systemd, there is a way to do it, but it requires manual intervention since they now need to first uninstall UPower. > In this case, if it is to disable the upower USE flag, or to provide > alternative, block newer version, whatever make it possible to have a > system working without systemd. It is provided: emerge -C upower emerge -1v upower-pm-utils It has to be done manually, though; otherwise you step on systemd users. > systemd should not be visible at any time, nor its implications. Nobody is here to deal with other people's OCD. Regards. --=20 Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s Profesor de asignatura, Facultad de Ciencias Universidad Nacional Aut=C3=B3noma de M=C3=A9xico