From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6629E138A87 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2015 00:19:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0F467E08F9; Mon, 23 Feb 2015 00:19:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ie0-f181.google.com (mail-ie0-f181.google.com [209.85.223.181]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0193CE089D for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2015 00:19:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iecrd18 with SMTP id rd18so19698816iec.8 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2015 16:19:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=IKMsA+WZLsUTyQnvn2aFOtxEQvGsqwQw/JC9OOO5RXY=; b=HQJr3r+/83x2Q5KTcEvD6rTywd5353Kv7U6eLGHatBV9SCqhCPxXA595V/AdHYkNWX ySO5twFEHAj5TAS5YnZemsdivSzXs2xevWUaN+COP5Z2Tp2n9AgdNrK+3dHGYAVnC3mG 5CyTjKnY0ZL2fiFToynqjUY/2WtovOSLDJMEjVAylO5rOWXjZkaqfguu3rJZRI7ugVcb 4CLql3C1+LI4pJHYKwye+NRe6xTNxTo3K5VtykrnS5rkV2avjONyj5+xpQ3B7Bpeo99H UqDnh5rkCP27EsNE+cR2CykHW/O5huB/CFASxJDL56v80rxQSaXfJnjCpN3xlLAs4/cj 1UAQ== X-Received: by 10.42.33.66 with SMTP id h2mr8735757icd.7.1424650775377; Sun, 22 Feb 2015 16:19:35 -0800 (PST) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.107.149.149 with HTTP; Sun, 22 Feb 2015 16:19:15 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87vbitldj5.fsf@heimdali.yagibdah.de> References: <87lhjws8ci.fsf@heimdali.yagibdah.de> <28267.1424201355@ccs.covici.com> <87d257q7en.fsf@heimdali.yagibdah.de> <20150218223115.7fb56f66@digimed.co.uk> <87vbitldj5.fsf@heimdali.yagibdah.de> From: =?UTF-8?B?Q2FuZWsgUGVsw6FleiBWYWxkw6lz?= Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 18:19:15 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] syslog-ng: how to read the log files To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec517ceee653e4d050fb65b1e X-Archives-Salt: d06bdda2-8b52-4b7b-ba2d-e1e22992a06c X-Archives-Hash: 11a3819bb20659c2c5611d8470bbe91a --bcaec517ceee653e4d050fb65b1e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 6:41 PM, lee wrote: > > Neil Bothwick writes: > > > On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 21:49:54 +0100, lee wrote: > > > >> > I wonder if the OP is using systemd and trying to read the journal > >> > files? > >> > >> Nooo, I hate systemd ... > >> > >> What good are log files you can't read? > > > > You can't read syslog-ng log files without some reading software, usually > > a combination of cat, grep and less. systemd does it all with journalctl. > > > > There are good reasons to not use systemd, this isn't one of them. > > To me it is one of the good reasons, and an important one. Plain text > can usually always be read without further ado, be it from rescue > systems you booted or with software available on different operating > systems. It can be also be processed with scripts and sent as email. > You can probably even read it on your cell phone. You can still read > log files that were created 20 years ago when they are plain text. > > Can you do all that with the binary files created by systemd? Yes, you can. > I can't even read them on a working system. If that's true (which I highly doubt, more probably you don't know how to read them), then it's a bug and should be reported and fixed. Regards. -- Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s Profesor de asignatura, Facultad de Ciencias Universidad Nacional Aut=C3=B3noma de M=C3=A9xico --bcaec517ceee653e4d050fb65b1e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 6:41 PM, lee <lee@yagibdah.de> wrote:
>
> Neil Bothw= ick <neil@digimed.co.uk> wr= ites:
>
> > On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 21:49:54 +0100, lee wrote:> >
> >> > I wonder if the OP is using systemd and t= rying to read the journal
> >> > files?
> >>
= > >> Nooo, I hate systemd ...
> >>
> >> Wh= at good are log files you can't read?
> >
> > You can= 't read syslog-ng log files without some reading software, usually
&= gt; > a combination of cat, grep and less. systemd does it all with jour= nalctl.
> >
> > There are good reasons to not use systemd= , this isn't one of them.
>
> To me it is one of the good r= easons, and an important one.=C2=A0 Plain text
> can usually always b= e read without further ado, be it from rescue
> systems you booted or= with software available on different operating
> systems.=C2=A0 It c= an be also be processed with scripts and sent as email.
> You can pro= bably even read it on your cell phone.=C2=A0 You can still read
> log= files that were created 20 years ago when they are plain text.
>
= > Can you do all that with the binary files created by systemd?

=
Yes, you can.

> I can't=C2=A0even read= them on a working system.

If that's true (which I highly doubt,= more probably you don't know how to read them), then it's a bug an= d should be reported and fixed.

Regards.
--
Canek Pel=C3=A1ez = Vald=C3=A9s
Profesor de asignatura, Facultad de Ciencias
Universidad = Nacional Aut=C3=B3noma de M=C3=A9xico
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