From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1R0yYJ-00035k-1X for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 06 Sep 2011 16:31:11 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2F80921C1BA; Tue, 6 Sep 2011 16:30:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wy0-f181.google.com (mail-wy0-f181.google.com [74.125.82.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9646E21C219 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2011 16:28:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyg36 with SMTP id 36so6333082wyg.40 for ; Tue, 06 Sep 2011 09:28:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=m/XA9jvDPoOBpiSk1H9woKKIRvQ+dssfcqaLIfLWH3g=; b=wyc7WTZxyVByXE/azs52XbSRSr6xF7jDBrDi1NwduREthFHSfcuDwHKpgUXklJLIh6 CH1kxzsFNP9mVEp8T1OeLdqcD2SiRNXNCkOuVItBL6cm6M7hVlBw68q52mmrzbufVZIw qdBCnpo7WAuQFpYcBRbJVJn3dC+LEHSKmuIa4= Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.71.76 with SMTP id q54mr5083038wed.83.1315326480823; Tue, 06 Sep 2011 09:28:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.39.140 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Sep 2011 09:28:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4E664740.80406@gmail.com> References: <87ehzuiu1y.fsf@newton.gmurray.org.uk> <4E65405E.8020809@wonkology.org> <4E664740.80406@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 12:28:00 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: What is up with the libreoffice ebuild? From: =?UTF-8?B?Q2FuZWsgUGVsw6FleiBWYWxkw6lz?= To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: 61742f3f474108b2523be245e6624b2f On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Dale wrote: > Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s wrote: >> >> On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 10:19 PM, Grant Edwards >> =C2=A0wrote: >>> >>> On 2011-09-05, Alex Schuster =C2=A0wrote: >>>> >>>> Graham Murray wonders: >>>> >>>>> Has the libreoffice ebuild suddenly developed stability problems? Tod= ay >>>>> is the 4th time in five days that my daily ~x86 emerge uD world has >>>>> rebuilt libreoffice. On 1st Sept it was because of a use flag change, >>>>> then the next day a new version was put in the tree, then there was a= n >>>>> -r1 release and today there is yet another use flag change. >>>> >>>> Same here on ~amd64. The last change is that cups is mandatory now, >>> >>> What?? >>> >>> So if I don't have a printer, and have no intention of printing >>> anything from this system, libreoffice requires that I install Cups? >> >> In my puny laptop, CUPS takes 1 min to compile, the source code is 4.4 >> Mb and the installed binaries are 9.3 Mb. It seems to be updated at >> the rate of once a month, roughly. >> >> I have never configured CUPS, *ever*, and it always just works when I >> connect to a new network. The printers just appear in the print >> dialog, and it always works. It always remembers my last selected >> options. >> >> To me it seems a rather sane default to always require the most used >> printing system in an office suite. >> > > This is rather odd. =C2=A0For the longest, every time I had a cups update= , I had > to delete my printers then add them back again. =C2=A0It would not print = until I > did so. =C2=A0That wasn't long ago either. =C2=A0I haven't had to do that= the last few > upgrades but for over a year, that was required. =C2=A0It used to get on = my > nerves. =C2=A0Restarting the service I can understand. =C2=A0It needs to = reload its > new config and all but not deleting and adding them again. > > Maybe you and I should add, YMMV. =C2=A0;-) I think that goes without saying: every one can only speak about personal experience. But the thing is, CUPS is basically owned by Apple. And I'm pretty sure the CUPS Gentoo installs is basically the same that Apple installs in their machines (the patches Gentoo applies are few and don't change the source that much). I don't like Apple, and I don't own nor use any of their products. But I have to admit they usually just works. And (in my experience, YMMV, etc.), it's the same in my Gentoo boxen. I'm in my last PhD "tour", and I have connected my laptop (and printed) in like 4 or 5 different networks of universities literally all over the world in the last few boxes. And I just Ctrl-P, select printer, and click on "print". >From that point of view (mine), making CUPS mandatory for LibreOffice (which this thread is all about) seems like the reasonable thing to do. Regards. --=20 Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingenier=C3=ADa de la Computaci=C3=B3n Universidad Nacional Aut=C3=B3noma de M=C3=A9xico