From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1QyQ01-0004i0-EG for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 15:13:13 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8C3C921C2DE; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 15:13:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wy0-f181.google.com (mail-wy0-f181.google.com [74.125.82.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE34821C2CF for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 15:11:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyg36 with SMTP id 36so6672197wyg.40 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 08:11:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=C8YNDT+aUqV5GwRc300DR3avbr3cModlO7haU1JGrsA=; b=QT9FWbQzVSGib3hYaHc0TnCnT24PK2RxSd6LDAZCk+rjimtqMgHFIOq8VjTacAsDeR lZwZakZejc3ARqK7ZliSseLEKeVo30BSH9LqPugZydnPuABIuBZjAMvF2wDyiA20NwJF FZU2q5pacZYuzHmnFJAd1LxSbECNZ2y/e/dNI= Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.24.30 with SMTP id w30mr851682wew.68.1314717115870; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 08:11:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.169.85 with HTTP; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 08:11:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1732215.xqiVGl2tIE@pc> References: <4E4C2CC4.6080604@xunil.at> <3706961.X6WvuNeq9m@nazgul> <5110656.sT3Fo8umsr@weird> <1732215.xqiVGl2tIE@pc> Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 11:11:55 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] systemd From: =?UTF-8?B?Q2FuZWsgUGVsw6FleiBWYWxkw6lz?= To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: 7d1f359766494183c379a509a94d945a On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 8:13 AM, Michael Schreckenbauer wr= ote: > Hi, > > Am Dienstag, 30. August 2011, 13:56:44 schrieb Alex Schuster: >> Alan McKinnon writes: >> > On Tue 23 August 2011 18:17:17 Stroller did opine thusly: >> > > On 23 August 2011, at 07:27, Joost Roeleveld wrote: >> [...] >> >> > > > And I don't really see the point of D-BUS on a server either. >> > > > All the services that need to talk to each other already have >> > > > working communication paths. >> > > >> > > Reading that blog entry I found discouraging the idea that dbus >> > > might be required on my servers in the future, if systemd becomes >> > > popular with distros. >> > >> > What's your objection to dbus? It gives you a standard message bus, is >> > small, light, consumes minimal resources and provides a nice standard >> > way to do IPC. Probably easier than reinventing the wheel with named >> > pipes and other bits over and over. >> >> Except for me. dbus-daemon often uses 10-20% of my CPU according to top. > > Mine idles most of the time, no CPU is used. My computer is running for ~= 6h > now, dbus-daemon used less than 1.5s CPU time. Same here: canek@negra ~ $ uptime 11:01:52 up 5 days, 20:13, 1 user, load average: 0.06, 0.43, 0.50 (It's a laptop that I usually suspend at night). >> And >> this morning, it was using about 750M of memory. Which is less than kwin= 's >> and Kontact's usage, but still. > > Strange. Mine uses only ~20MB. Same here: top - 11:02:40 up 5 days, 20:14, 1 user, load average: 0.12, 0.39, 0.49 Tasks: 163 total, 1 running, 158 sleeping, 0 stopped, 4 zombie Cpu(s): 7.3%us, 2.0%sy, 0.0%ni, 90.2%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.5%si, 0.0= %st Mem: 3891064k total, 3214892k used, 676172k free, 36072k buffers Swap: 4192960k total, 708604k used, 3484356k free, 863416k cached PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND 631 messageb 20 0 20548 2404 1040 S 0 0.1 1:47.94 dbus-daemon >> But I think the problem is on my side, I run KDE4 with only 8G of memory= , no >> wonder I need 1.7G of swap right now. >> > > I have only 4GB of memory, run kde4, swap is not used at all most of the = time. > There are still ~512MB free with ~1,3GB cached currently. > I do have programs running :) firefox with some tabs, kdevelop with a pro= ject > (~100.000 LOC), kmail, LibreOffice and 3 konsoles, each with some tabs op= en. > I know, I am of no help at all, but I really wonder, why your numbers dif= fer so > significantly from mine. Kinda similar here: GNOME 3.0, Emacs with several LaTeX articles, Evince, Evolution, Rhythmbox, Chromium with like 20 tabs (my 4 zombie processes are Chromium tabs), and the heaviest of all, Inkscape with 6 different SVG pictures. There is something really wrong with Alex D-Bus; but I don't think it's the bus. Probably some program is spamming the bus, making it use that much memory, but I don't know for sure. Regards. --=20 Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingenier=C3=ADa de la Computaci=C3=B3n Universidad Nacional Aut=C3=B3noma de M=C3=A9xico