From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1S96Kd-0007Ny-0X for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 02:58:56 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D7D44E091A; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 02:58:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pb0-f53.google.com (mail-pb0-f53.google.com [209.85.160.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CA81E08FF for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 02:57:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pbcuo1 with SMTP id uo1so853357pbc.40 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2012 19:57:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=hzm76gZtLayQLK15fJ944YHBPDFrBGKzijegdLcuTro=; b=KbHgDIUeGQEhBjIADYcY4CupWtn47Wl+1Fki2R48xs5/4JJsl868FfqNNh0XzhKuom R6uTwNoz4v1xG6bxpsNHkMZ0BNh9dGXK1Tqzn2++/+Js0UQOcQ0+sZkEltH2JUk8PEaT C/kwa0YXLNZcLrNR4AZHdhAOE+MI0d/HVBA4XL6aAwZZLgE0CEP7oLnFXN0ceaP5paHl wP1DspixEQvNXzo+MfBUA5fYfdDP2iBWNk9B40EcKwUR975GTg8s2G8QhgYy21hWBXJO YDSqMktHiytlujVcWEzq5wajHgWLwcHlDeq/YlLulmCluk7xlPfS4+DtwQQBugFU0stj oJyA== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.216.132 with SMTP id oq4mr28188760pbc.41.1332039448945; Sat, 17 Mar 2012 19:57:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.197.41 with HTTP; Sat, 17 Mar 2012 19:57:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1446063568.820478.1332038934973.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.com> References: <709768995.843751.1331957483491.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.com> <20120317115300.GB3615@acm.acm> <1446063568.820478.1332038934973.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.com> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 20:57:28 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: systemd? [ Was: The End Is Near ... ] From: =?UTF-8?B?Q2FuZWsgUGVsw6FleiBWYWxkw6lz?= To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 222874ed-c289-4b8b-be14-d3abeeea9d6b X-Archives-Hash: 4acd2b0a87ac1157f036e9ab80351627 On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 8:48 PM, Bruce Hill, Jr. wrote: > > > > On March 17, 2012 at 8:48 PM Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > >> On 17/03/12 13:53, Alan Mackenzie wrote: >> > Hello, Nikos. >> > >> > On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 08:25:48AM +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: >> > >> >>> Happy Computer Users, systemd is on your horizon. >> > >> >> No, we don't. =C2=A0I hope systemd arrives soon. =C2=A0It's the best = init system > I >> >> ever saw. >> > >> > What's so good about it? =C2=A0What will it do for me? >> > >> > I have this horrible sneaking suspicion that it will be more > complicated >> > than /sbin/init + OpenRC, just like udev + initramfs is more > complicated >> > than udev, and CUPS is more complicated than classical lpr. >> > >> > Why do you find it so good? >> >> No idea. =C2=A0I only posted this because the OP didn't say what's bad a= bout >> systemd :-) =C2=A0I really don't know I should care whether my system ru= ns >> OpenRC or systemd. >> >> > > > I'm the OP, and often I don't know how to express myself. > > It is my understanding that systemd is going to force an initramfs on you > even if you only have / and no other partitions. (Could it be initrd and > not initramfs?) > > I'm all for automounting a device when it's plugged in, if that's what th= e > user chooses. But for me, with my workstation, laptop, wife's PC and > daughter's laptop -- we just don't need or care for it. Seems a shame to = be > using udev and then have to completely change your system when 181 comes > out, or freeze it at . > > Therefore, we don't install anything to automount devices. We have lines > such as these in fstab: > > UUID=3D6C5F-3742 =C2=A0 =C2=A0/Libby-Vivitar =C2=A0 vfat > noauto,users,rw,gid=3D100,dmask=3D0002,fmask=3D0113 =C2=A00 0 > > for those devices we own. When we get a new device, we add a new line. > > We don't use a DE either, just Fluxbox. > > The bottom line is that I don't like things being forced on me (hint, "ge= t > the vaseline, they're on the way!") And I don't like upstream forcing suc= h > nefarious changes on the distros. And for the Lennart fanboi, his coding = is > so questionable that "Lennartware" has become derogatory slang. (Of cours= e, > you already know that.) No need to get personal man, relax. I'm getting my PhD in Computer Science, and worked several years as professional programmer. In my not-so-limited experience, Lennart's code is clean, fast, and usually does what he says it will do. So, no, I don't "already" know that. You could argue about the overall design, or what goals his code has, but its quality you are the only one questioning it. So again, please, [citation needed]. You still haven't provided any reference to support your claim that Lennart's code (specifically systemd's code) is "poorly" done. Regards. --=20 Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingenier=C3=ADa de la Computaci=C3=B3n Universidad Nacional Aut=C3=B3noma de M=C3=A9xico