From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 949AB1381F3 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:10:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 446EAE0A9E; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:09:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-lb0-f173.google.com (mail-lb0-f173.google.com [209.85.217.173]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B67F0E0A87 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:09:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lb0-f173.google.com with SMTP id v1so804127lbd.32 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 10:09:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=UY5c80miB6h606eylU1EOQClbmHkhlK+AJ76hq7FKEo=; b=c/mDdWI7VwqP9apFayDTa8i+2mxDt2vcFRSzjui8o0GKHCMdD2RdUNGY6vEeNcOSrc Lvjw0+zrxhzZCkiqyT+N1FCV8JeuCwYLeUc9okNq/OqDTsjJt09I/6FvlB5fN0g1cVdI WU2H86WpcQb5I6WbwJ88NaAiD+uBHZYNjHm/fuUJTt/qT06CPBoCj2QnuMEOPDeSaJOs JkqWYgOyQuwQaduHMxN8Zvo4e9iaSKce5sUHHZQw2nEocV4ynG2uC7XffLFnhQnZwkEK QwxX6+3OFYS2DEXBqUeihwIhvlcJS39iB+z20e1mrKjvLK5dbctrtjeAuV0j+kdfxmPG mRcA== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.121.73 with SMTP id li9mr1169999lab.42.1373994587001; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 10:09:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.199.38 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 10:09:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <51E43EDE.3090905@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 12:09:46 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and NetworkManager From: =?UTF-8?B?Q2FuZWsgUGVsw6FleiBWYWxkw6lz?= To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0117744d481cca04e1a40b6d X-Archives-Salt: 9b0ea7a5-18a1-4052-8896-01a3a2afb1b4 X-Archives-Hash: 45767bf30bf01081745bd7ae4d296966 --089e0117744d481cca04e1a40b6d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Andr=C3=A1s Cs=C3=A1nyi wrote: > On 15 July 2013 21:08, Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s w= rote: > > On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Alan McKinnon > wrote: > >> On 15/07/2013 18:44, Andr=C3=A1s Cs=C3=A1nyi wrote: > >>> Hi All, > >>> > >>> I would like to get some help regarding networkmanager and KDE. > >>> > >>> I have installed the networkmanager package on my machine and I also > >>> have networkmanagement kde application installed. My problem is that > >>> as a user I'm not able to abb network connection using network manage= r > >>> in kde. There is no way to run this application as root and I'm not > >>> able to login as root into KDE. > > > > Is your user included in the plugdev group, as the networkmanager > > ebuild recommends? > > No. It was not part of that group. The install was a part of a bigger > set of packages and I haven't read the output. It is my bad. on the > other hand, the tutorial why does not mention about anything? > The ebuild says it: src_prepare() { DOC_CONTENTS=3D"To modify system network connections without needin= g to enter the root password, add your user account to the 'plugdev' group." When you install it, a message appears with that text. > I added the the user to that group and the wicd working well. I > dropped networkmanager as far as it was possible. It is part of the > unity environment. Actually is part of GNOME, like pretty much everything behind the curtains in Unity. > >>> At the moment I don't have any network connection on that machine. If > >>> I want it then I have to remove networkmanager package and let the > >>> rc-process to handle the networks. > >>> > >>> Is there a place where that is described how possible to solve this > >>> issue? Is there a tutorial about networkmanager where the > >>> configuration is described or something like this? What right is > >>> needed or something? I have googled a few hours but I haven't found > >>> anything. > > > > Again, try adding your user to the plugdev group. > > > >>> I appreciate your help! > >> > >> > >> unmerge nm and everything associated with it. > >> Comment out all lines in /etc/conf.d/net > >> > >> emerge wicd with the USE flags of your choice. > >> > >> All your problems will instantly go away, stay away, and wicd will do > >> the right thing always for networking. I promise. > > > > If the problem is that the user is not in the plugdev group, it will > > also happen with wicd, which makes this one of the worsts pieces of > > advice I have seen in this list. Which is a lot to say. > > Yes, it happened the same with wicd as well. After I added the user to > the plugdev group everything is working fine. Thought so. > >> networkmanager is a horribly broken piece of shit that per user report= s > >> never seems to actually work for people. > > > > It works for me. In all kind of networks in several continents, with > > all kind of WEP, WPA, and WPA2 networks, connecting through my > > cellphone and obviously with ethernet too. > > > > Funny you said that Alan, when was the last time you heard about a > > problem with NM in the list? I count less than 20 mails *mentioning* > > NM in the list in 2013, and none of them are (IIRC) direct problems > > with NM. > > > >> You should not use software like that. > > > > You should do a little more research before saying something like that > > about a piece of software that just works most of the time. > > I understand Alan feelings. The strange is that Ubuntu use wicd. I > don't know whether by default or not. I didn't knew Unity used wicd. Glad to hear it worked. Regards. --=20 Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingenier=C3=ADa de la Computaci=C3=B3n Universidad Nacional Aut=C3=B3noma de M=C3=A9xico --089e0117744d481cca04e1a40b6d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Andr=C3=A1s Cs=C3=A1nyi = <sayusi.ando@sayusi.hu> wrote:
On 15 July 2013 21:08, Canek Pel=C3=A1ez= Vald=C3=A9s <caneko@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 15/07/2013 18:44, Andr=C3=A1s Cs=C3=A1nyi wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I would like to get some help regarding networkmanager and KDE= .
>>>
>>> I have installed the networkmanager package on my machine and = I also
>>> have networkmanagement kde application installed. My problem i= s that
>>> as a user I'm not able to abb network connection using net= work manager
>>> in kde. There is no way to run this application as root and I&= #39;m not
>>> able to login as root into KDE.
>
> Is your user included in the plugdev group, as the networkmanager
> ebuild recommends?

No. It was not part of that group. The install was a part of a bigger=
set of packages and I haven't read the output. It is my bad. on the
other hand, the tutorial why does not mention about anything?

The ebuild says it:

=
src_prepare() {
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 DOC_C= ONTENTS=3D"To modify system network connections without needing to ent= er the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 root password,= add your user account to the 'plugdev' group."

=
When you install it, a message appears with that text.
=C2=A0
I added the the user to that group and the wicd working well. I
dropped networkmanager as far as it was possible. It is part of the
unity environment.

Actually is part o= f GNOME, like pretty much everything behind the curtains in Unity.
=C2=A0
>>> At the moment I don't have any network connection on that = machine. If
>>> I want it then I have to remove networkmanager package and let= the
>>> rc-process to handle the networks.
>>>
>>> Is there a place where that is described how possible to solve= this
>>> issue? Is there a tutorial about networkmanager where the
>>> configuration is described or something like this? What right = is
>>> needed or something? I have googled a few hours but I haven= 9;t found
>>> anything.
>
> Again, try adding your user to the plugdev group.
>
>>> I appreciate your help!
>>
>>
>> unmerge nm and everything associated with it.
>> Comment out all lines in /etc/conf.d/net
>>
>> emerge wicd with the USE flags of your choice.
>>
>> All your problems will instantly go away, stay away, and wicd will= do
>> the right thing always for networking. I promise.
>
> If the problem is that the user is not in the plugdev group, it will > also happen with wicd, which makes this one of the worsts pieces of > advice I have seen in this list. Which is a lot to say.

Yes, it happened the same with wicd as well. After I added the user t= o
the plugdev group everything is working fine.

Thought so.
=C2=A0
>> networkmanager is a horribly broken piece of shit that per user re= ports
>> never seems to actually work for people.
>
> It works for me. In all kind of networks in several continents, with > all kind of WEP, WPA, and WPA2 networks, connecting through my
> cellphone and obviously with ethernet too.
>
> Funny you said that Alan, when was the last time you heard about a
> problem with NM in the list? I count less than 20 mails *mentioning* > NM in the list in 2013, and none of them are (IIRC) direct problems > with NM.
>
>> You should not use software like that.
>
> You should do a little more research before saying something like that=
> about a piece of software that just works most of the time.

I understand Alan feelings. The strange is that Ubuntu use wicd. I don't know whether by default or not.

I didn't knew Unity used wicd. Glad to hear it worked.
=

Regards.
--
Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9= s
Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingenier=C3=ADa de la Computaci=C3=B3n
Universidad= Nacional Aut=C3=B3noma de M=C3=A9xico
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